You're right - it wasn't an issue for Obama and his party when they could have done something about bump stocks before some homicidal lunatic opened fire into a crowd of people somewhere. I guess Obama and Democrats were too busy fundamentally transforming the United States to deal with such mundane matters as restricting or banning devices that effectively convert a semi-automatic rifle to full auto. B-b-b-b-but Republicans! The NRA! Gun nuts! Talk about disingenuous...
If full autos are illegal, bump stocks do skirt the law so I'm ok with this. The problem is, it's very easy to make bump stocks with 3d printers.
More disingenuous crap. Of course the issue comes to the fore when more American children are needlessly killed. It doesn't seem to matter to the crowd who needs their rifles to maybe overthrow the government some day.
And right wing ammosexuals would have crapped their adult diapers just like they did when he proposed doing something after children were murdered at sandy hook. It's always been an issue for people with common sense. It's the paranoid lunatics who have always been against any form of gun control. They are part to blame for yet another slaughter of American children.
On the flip side, banning bump stocks will make them less accessible to the public and discourage people from illegally fabricating them. What puzzles me is how devices that convert semi-auto rifles to full-auto were allowed to become legal and sold without a license from the BATF in the first place.
You just confirmed what I said. White people killed and its national news. The same number of black people killed in the ghetto and the bigots on the alt left dont care.
Sorry, but I don't buy the argument that Obama and Democrats didn't act in 2010 because they were afraid of defying and upsetting "right wing ammosexuals" and "paranoid lunatics". Furthermore, that argument completely ignores all the pro-Second Amendment types who would have been just as okay with a ban in 2010 as they are okay with one today. The plain simple truth of the matter is that they didn't give a ****. They were good at playing to their "progressive" base with empty political gestures such as sneering at "bitter clingers" and railing against the Second Amendment, but when it came time to institute a common sense measure that could have prevented the slaughter in Las Vegas they were AWOL and that's their own damned fault.
Well, caring would require the Left to face the disastrous consequences of their social welfare policies and that's not going to happen. From the wild Irish slums of the 19th century Eastern seaboard, to the riot-torn suburbs of Los Angeles, there is one unmistakable lesson in American history; a community that allows a large number of men to grow up in broken families, dominated by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority, never acquiring any set of rational expectations about the future -- that community asks for and gets chaos. Crime, violence, unrest, disorder -- most particularly the furious, unrestrained lashing out at the whole social structure -- that is not only to be expected; it is very near to inevitable. -- Daniel Patrick Moynihan, 1965 As far as "progressives" are concerned, it's better to let our cities burn than to admit they screwed up.
Hmm. I wonder why the trump administration didn't take action back in 2017? Republicans controlled Washington at that time.
Not anymore, it started increasing again in 2015 and 2016. My state of Wisconsin which has probably the most pathetic punishments for drunk driving in the world is actually considering increasing the penalties. There is also the fact that cars today are significantly safer than they were decades ago.
But but but harsh laws don't stop drunk driving, right? So why bother with drunk driving laws at all?
Won't see any argument from me. The snowflakes on the right get all teary when anyone talks bad about Trump but forget the Republicans pledged to obstruct Obama from the very start, how's it feel?
Thanks TRFjr that was very informative. I never heard of the AR10 before. I always thought the M-16 was built from scratch for the military. The fact that these weapons are so similar leads me to believe that you can make an AR-15 automatic.
Think you missed my edit. Not anymore, it started increasing again in 2015 and 2016. My state of Wisconsin which has probably the most pathetic punishments for drunk driving in the world is actually considering increasing the penalties. There is also the fact that cars today are significantly safer than they were decades ago. Its going up nationwide even AFTER they most states changed to .08 from .1. Now they are talking about going down to .05. Drunk driving is actually a good comparison of how effective preventative laws are. Virtually all fatal accidents occur with people way above the legal live. Almost none of them are .08 or even .1. The average is .18. Its not the .08ers or even the .1ers causing the issues its the people drinking twice as much as that. I have no problems with keeping it at .08 but I don't believe for a second that its going to effect anything seriously. Its a feel good measure and that is all. Ban rifles and all you did was force people to use shotguns or handguns and the Virginia Tech shooter killed 33 people with just handguns. Ban those and you end up with Europes problem of 84, 50, 25 and so on groups of people getting run over by trucks or they use bombs. Hell the people that shot up the newspaper in France used guns that were illegal in France. If you want change then you have to change the culture and society.
Passing a law doesn't have any effect. What has an effect is enforcement. Despite the drunk driving laws, there are still people out there who have been caught multiple times drinking and driving, have had their licenses revoked, and will still get drunk and get behind the wheel of a car. Laws only work against those inclined to obey them, and who have fear of the consequences. For example: the only people who are going to obey "gun free zone" laws are people who are already not going to be inclined to murder someone. Someone who is determined to commit mass murder sees a "gun free zone" as an opportunity, not a deterrent. Anyone who is determined to commit mass murder is not going to be deterred on his way to that goal by breaking other laws. Blaming the gun is easy. Looking at the truth is not. The last time we blamed an object for the failures of society was during Prohibition. Do we blame alcohol for drunk driving? No, we blame the person. The truth is that everyone who came into contact with him knew there was something wrong with him. You don't have the law visit your house 39 times, have at least two FBI reports on you, get voted most likely to be a school shooter, and have online videos of torturing animals and be a "normal" person. Putting a gun in someone's hand does not make them a murderer any more than putting a beer in someone's hands makes them a drunk driver. Being male doesn't make you a rapist. If you think the anti-gun crowd want to control guns to save lives you'd be wrong. They want to control guns so they can control people.
Oh...I see. The Republicans control Washington now. So what's Trump's excuse for not repealing and replacing ObamaCare?
The gun can not be the blame - obviously. Until 1936, anyone could buy a Tommy gun 45acp with 50 round canisters, any other fully automatic weapon including 30.06, 50 caliber and 20mm - and there were times of great social unrest, racial strife, and public anger. In the past, anyone could have walked into any school with a legal 50 round FULLY AUTOMATIC machine gun the person bought mail order or in any gun store. The Las Vegas shooter in the past could have opened up on a crowd with a fully automatic 20mm cannon. Anyone could buy any WW1 surplus military firearm and ammo cheap, cheap, cheap. Mail order. On the street. In a store. No background check. No ID. Giving no name. No limit to how much or how many.100% legal. In 1930 any person could buy by mail order, no ID or background check required, even using a fake name, any military surplus fully automatic firearm and ammo cheap. Very cheap. Zero gun laws. Full autos. High capacity magazines and canisters. So, then, why no mass shootings in schools or otherwise back when even more deadly full auto military weapons were cheaply available and well within general public circulation? Those guns were in society and with HIGHER capacity than an AR15 with a 30 round magazine. If the cause is the guns, then there would have been far greater numbers of mass shootings - in and out of schools - in the past. But there were not. Simply, the gun isn't the problem because history shows when full auto higher capacity guns could be bought by anyone of any age, no ID, no background check, the problem didn't exist.
Bump stocks were declared legal by your team Obama. The NRA has never defended bump stocks. President Trump needed no one's permission. Lying: the #1 Democratic Party tactic.
Um... Ever hear of Al Capone? Ever hear of the Valentine's Day Massacre? We've just had another one. Prohibition-Era Gang Violence Spurred Congress To Pass First Gun Law
Malcontent bad losers McCain, Graham and Paul, plus the US constitution calling for a simply majority trashed and replaced with a 60% rule made up out of thin air. Because the US constitution is NOT being followed, Republicans do not control Washington.
Where is your proof that President Trump "had to ask the NRA permission" for anything?! Post the link for all to see, or admit that you have simply blown this out of your ass. . The more you guys on the radical-fringe Left get drunk on your supposed success in yet another gun-grabbing opportunity, the more ridiculous and unbalanced you seem to the majority of Americans.... Now, I, too, support outlawing "bump-stocks" (I'd never even heard of them before the Vegas shootings). But come to an understanding of REALITY... there is no special class of weapon that is designated specifically as "assault". That is so damned ignorant and idiotic! You can be "assaulted" with any kind of weapon -- you can kill a man with a spoon, or a pencil, or a delivery truck, etc., etc.. You can take a regular shotgun (as recommended a few years ago by Joe Biden) and kill anyone, anywhere, by mounting an "assault".... It's sad but safe to say that the overwhelming majority of you have no idea what an "assault" is. When are you on the Left ever going to understand that we must focus on the creatures that commit crimes or show every sign that they are going to commit crimes, instead of the 'tool' that they would use...?
So you now agree the NRA is a good organization and President Trump a great president, correct, while cursing President Obama.
And yet...somehow...the diaper boi was unable to figure this same dynamic was in play from the other direction in 2010. Huh! By the way...Trump lied to you. It was all a massive hoax.
