Unions praise Trump on steel tariffs

The Democratic Party abandoned legitimate trade unions a few decades ago to favor more profitable sweetheart deal unions and government unions. The Democratic Party does not care about the Steelworkers Union.

Here's how it worked in the meat industry. Wages were high in union packinghouses and the union quite militant. Non-union shops began opening up, causing a lot of battles, costly battles, to the union. Ultimately the union was broke - literally financially broke.

A huge sweetheart deal union, the UFCW, offered to basically buy out the Meatcutters Union. By that, they meant they would pay the pensions and keep on until they retire the Union reps, business agents and local presidents - who otherwise had no job and no pension due to the union being busted. So they sold out.

The UFCW makes deals with companies to keep legitimate unions out. IF the company will make people pay UFCW dues, the company can gut wages all they want to, in many instances actually lower than non-union wages. Rather than spending money fighting for workers in grievances, medidations, strikes etc, the UFCW spends money buying Democrat politicians with a portion of the dues money. Being rich, the UFCW union officials then can fly in their own private jets to go party with the rich company owners and glad-hand at high dollar occasions with them and Democrats in Congress.

That's the actual history in the packinghouse industry.

The Democratic Party cares about 1.) government unions and 2.) sweetheart deal unions in the private sector. Legitimate trade unions are just a pain in the ass with strikes and ranting about wage cuts to the Democratic Party plus supporting them ran against the big money people - which the Democratic Party (like Republicans) will NEVER fight. Government unions and sweetheart deal unions have piles of money to contribute and don't cause them any trouble or require much effort.

Just like coal, the Democratic Party doesn't care if every steelworker in the USA loses their job. Why would it? The steelworkers union is as financially broke as the steel companies, meaning having no money to give in political contributions. Without those, no Congressional politicians - Democrat or Republican - care one iota.

 

It has been interesting seeing China become a unified pure capitalistic enterprise, while the USA and West endlessly becomes more anti-capitalism.

China is unrestrained in their practice and since all businesses are owned and controlled by the government it can act with singular purpose. That purpose is to DESTROY all competitors anyway possible. This means the government dumps products even at huge loses to eliminate competition to capture the market.

For example, China so underwriting shipping that China can ship products to the USA for less than an American company can ship it across the street. The USA and West's steel industry is in their final death gasps. China is massively dumping steel at less than production costs to kill them off. When done, China not only will control steel supply and steel prices, but can then proceed to wipe out every competing industry that uses steel.

When the West become so extremely and stupidly anti-capitalistic to the point of being true chumps and idiots? Seriously, this isn't even a topic on TV as if lose of domestic steel and aluminum is just no big deal adding "yeah, lots of industries are gone" as if it doesn't matter.

The USA can not survive on economy based on money shuffling (finance), selling hamburgers and writing government hot checks by the trillions for medical care, social programs and the military - though that is what is being done, now over $20 trillion in hot checks.

 

It’s sort of amusing to see Dems fighting against American workers just because Trump did it.

I noticed the same thing about the tax cut. The elimination of the state tax deduction and the limitation on the property tax deduction had the greatest effect on the rich, and the Dems cried about it.

I’ll bet they would have cheered both if a Dem president had done both. Then it would be all good. But, but, but ... Trump!

 

You started with the insults, which is uncharacteristic of you. So why would you not expect them back?

Sell it to us than less than what? Then what we can produce it for? Maybe they have better efficiency?

 

More partisan I see.
What Dems are fighting against American workers? Names.

 

Yep, in this thread.
And one can easily do as I did and google how tariffs have impacted us in the past.

 

NO, it's not generic. From a post of mine earlier, bush put tariffs on steel in 2002, during good economic times for the USA. And we lost 200,000 jobs, per the article.
Then explain how it has EVERYTHING to with with China? Don't just spout unsupported BS.
Give the facts.
How does China dumping in other parts of the world, affect us?
China is barely in the top 10 on steel imported to USA and we have many tariffs on them already.

 

Dairyair.

You asked ...

 

So, you have no Dem's fight against American workers. So why did you say it?

I am not dem.
I've posted 2 or 3 posts in this thread, showing what happens to American jobs when we impose tariffs.
We lose more and have sent the economy downward.

Which you have failed to address and instead throw out insults.

 

So you agree the USA should reduce the US minimum wage to $3.90 A DAY to compete with Mexico or only down to $1.37 per hour to compete with China - plus ending EPA, OSHA, labor laws, and DOT regulations - and the government also subsidizing industry - thus us then having "better efficiency?"

 

Wow, Trump tweeted what I've been posting.

“If the E.U. wants to further increase their already massive tariffs and barriers on U.S. companies doing business there, we will simply apply a Tax on their Cars which freely pour into the U.S.,” Trump tweeted, signaling he would not shy away from a trade war with Europe, traditionally a staunch U.S. ally. “They make it impossible for our cars (and more) to sell there. Big trade imbalance!”

 

Wow, you and MMC are very very good at basically lying about what other people may or may not think.
But on the flip side, you are all for $15 min wage.

 

Comes around, goes around ... My apologies for calling you a Democrat. Just don’t call me a Republican, and we’re good.

Truth is, so far, most criticism of these tariffs has come from Washington establishment Republicans. Typical ...

Democrats seem sort of confused. They have been ordered by their Leaders to oppose all things Trump, at all costs, under penalty of death. But some have come out in support. This must all be very distressing to Nancy ... Ah, maybe not. I’m not sure she’s even aware of her surroundings ...

 

No one has ever accused tRUMP of being bright.
That might hurt, VW?

 

You were 1st, so yes, what goes around comes around. You were also the 1st to complain about insults

My only point is all my posts, is broad tariffs like this one, has not fared well in the past.
And no one, has yet to dispute that or even address it.
JakeJ tried, saying it was some sort of excuse.

 

I checked our trade deficit with EU nations a while ago, and I think it’s like $151 billion.

Not fair. They have no grounds to retaliate, and I don’t care for their damn cars anyway.

All I want is fair trade with them. FAIR trade.

 

Okay?

 

And the tariff on steel and aluminum do exactly what to the EU?
Since they are not big exporters of steel to us.

You have failed to make any case at all on this topic. Except you don't like EU cars. Or it might save American steel jobs but don't worry if other jobs are lost as a result.

 

Americans earn less than they did in real terms than in 2000. Disparity remains very high. Free trade is going to take the blame that and likely contributes to it.

 

I'm not.

What is notable about your messages is your view is simple - let American industry die and let the economy collapse. You offer solutions to nothing.

 

What jobs would be lost? Other than dock workers unloading ships, name the jobs lost? All you do is site global super rich ideology of how wonderful foreign sweat shop products are for themselves.

It is easy to point to the lost jobs for the collapse of the last of American steel and aluminum production - and the entire infrastructure around it.

The only reason Chinese cars have not obliterated the US auto industry is that they are banned. Of course, you are certain that banning Chinese automobiles - ie a tariff - has caused a trade war devastating American employment. You do oppose banning Chinese cars (and tires) don't you? In your view, all tariffs should be eliminated since you claim it FACT that tariffs hurt us. Everyone has tariffs, but we dare not do so.

That is your point, isn't it? If not, what is your point other than you hate Trump and therefore anything he does is the end of the world as we know it?

 

I think a $151 billion trade deficit with the EU is a case. Furthermore, when the U.S. produced twice as much steel in the 70s, did we suffer job losses because of that?

There is economic activity at all stages of the industry. There's the mining of ore, the transport of the ore, the production of steel from the ore, and then the transport of finished product. What you seem to be defending is the elimination of one of those stages, that being the production of steel from the ore, and just ceding it to other countries.

 

Somewhere, Hillary's head is bobbing at this news.

 

Any your view is that 96,000,000 unemployed Americans who gave up even looking for a job is "fairing well." $20 trillion deficit is "fairing well." Constant decline is real wages is "fairing well." The Rust Belt is "fairing well."

The USA was sold out by the politicians who sold themselves out to the super rich of the world.

 

You certainly are good at making up crap that has no bearing on reality. So good reason to dismiss anything further from you. Until you learn how to be honest.

But I do agree with you the politicians are stooges for the super rich. Funny, you a RWer would actually admit that.