Washington State bans gay conversion therapy on minors

There is no such thing as conversion therapy.

 

We need to rid the world of redheads and left handed people.
And put on display left handed redheads so everyone can see how the world has gone to hell in a hand basket if one thinks they are normal.

 

How is it the same folks who think gay is a choice, conversion therapy is a real medical treatment, also think WW3 was going to happen before trumps inauguration so martial law would be instilled or that the earth is flat.

There seems to be some mental pattern that emerges.

 

It could have been the day I thought your cat's Elton John glasses were hideous?

 

Redheaded wimmins need serious attentions and the abuse and delights they always demand and deserve..............and I'm ambidextrous when it comes to writing or computer mousing............throw right handed, bat right handed, kick left footed but never, eva, was confused that my rocket launcher was meant for anything but a female portal.

 

Well first of all, no. There are plenty of “far left” sources that put the number well above 5 percent. You’re probably confusing it with Atheists. Literally eight seconds on google found me a source that said 20 percent.

Second, your argument about offspring is garbage since homosexuals are still capable of reproducing.

The simple reality is that you can’t have it both ways. You can’t assert that cross gender attraction is something people are born with but that same gender attraction is not.

Homosexuality can’t be cured any more than heterosexuality can be cured. Nobody ever chooses what gender they want to ****.

Religious dolts started the whole homosexuality is a choice myth because they weren’t able to reconcile hating homosexuals with god creating homosexuals to be gay.

A transparent bigoted house of cards that fools nobody.

 

Why do gays get to tell people what they can't and must do?

It's come full circle. or are we seeing some weird form of catty retribution for past societal sins?

I remember back when the politically correct stance was it's no one's business what people do in the privacy of their own lives. a distant memory.

and what about these new-age holistic mental therapists? hell, the entire psychiatric field, for that matter? why should they be allowed to tinker around in our troubled children's psyches?

 

The facts are, as educated people know, that the AMA considers gay conversion therapy not medically sound and in fact dangerous to the mental health of 'patients.' The fact is that the goal of conversion therapy is to get someone who thinks he/she is gay to refuse to accept that and conform to what conservatives and religious people want: that being homosexual is wrong. As you are doing, those who refuse to accept homosexuality and who favor conversion therapy ignore the science. Ignoring science is stupid.

 

As I said I don't at all care what the AMA says. It's a self selected board. Its opinion is the opposite of scientific. Unless you randomly sample psychologists in that area you have no idea what the opinion is.

 

Ignoring science is stupid. In this case it means allowing so called 'therapists', who want to convert children to the idea that being gay is wrong and unhealthy, ****ing with the child's psychi, causing damage. The younger a person is, the more damage these people do. It's child abuse. That is why Washington is enacting this law: to protect children from psychological abuse. If a child is confused about his/her sexuality, they should go to a doctor, a real doctor--a psychologist or psychiatrist, someone who does not have any agenda except to help the child understand him/herself and be healthy. A qualified doctor does not promote one lifestyle over the other, unlike some hack who calls him/herself a 'conversion therapist.' You obviously don't care about the human, the child.

 

I don't think it's a choice. Borderline don't choose to be borderline, narcissists don't choose to be narcissists, hysteronics don't choose to be hysteronic personality disoirders may well be environment, that's where th e science is going, but it's still not genetic, they are what they are before they turn 10. Bit they can be treated.

I don't know how much homosexuality is like personality disorders. It's a fact that there is a statistical dependency between childhood sexual abuse and homosexuality. In the treatment of the cluster Bs this would be akin to the initial wound.

Personality is hard to change even for the better like when treating cluster Bs. There are treatments for personality disorders with mixed results. I would imagine the same is true for homosexuality.

 

I didn't say I'm ignoring the science. I said I'm ignoring the AMA. It's a self selected body. It's opinion is not that of the whole. Surveying self selected bodies is unscientific.

 

If you’re only talking about the physical sex act, why would there be a need for specific homosexual conversion “therapy”? If a minor child wants to or is having sex, shouldn’t the approach be the same regardless of whether it’s with partners of the same gender or not? Wouldn’t any number of factors be much more significant, such as the age, nature and number of partners? You seem to be suggesting that a couple of same-sex seventeen year olds in a long term romantic relationship moving on to consensual sex is a major issue requiring “professional” psychological intervention but a child having sex with multiple opposite-sex partners is a lesser issue that parents should be left to deal with on their own.

 

do we not give therapy to pedophiles so not to be sexually attracted to pubescent boys and girls? ​

even courts order that therapy to offenders

so if sexual orientation therapy to convert form one sexual orientation to another is harmful then would that be considered cruel and unusual punishment and all court ordered therapy conducted with pedophiles be banned? ​

 

No, they typically received therapy not to act on that attraction, much as pyromaniacs can receive therapy not to act on their desires to start fires. That’s about preventing dangerous and criminal behaviour (and usually only available after they’ve broken the law). Consensual sex is not implicitly dangerous or criminal, regardless of the genders of the people involved.

 

I responded to a claid in a comment that I disagreed with, and I did it because I felt like it.

 

some pedophiles might be able to turn their sexual attractions toward healthy adult relationships, said Dr. Richard Krueger, who is in the group working on updating the information about pedophilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the handbook professionals use in diagnosing patients. [Hypersex to Hoarding: 7 New Psychological Disorders]

For example, Krueger argues there is the "****philic" type of pedophile, who is sexually attracted to pubescent children, and the "pedohebephilic" type, who is sexually attracted to both prepubescent and pubescent children. People with these attractions can sometimes be nudged into focusing on adults, said Krueger, who is the medical director of the Sexual Behavior Clinic at New York State Psychiatric Institute in New York.
https://www.livescience.com/17519-treating-pedophiles-therapy-challenge.html

so if pedophiles can through therapy be "nudged into focusing on adults" then why cant that also work with homosexuals if they so chose?
or is that type of therapy harmful like you want to claim?

 

Can parents send their kids to therapy to convert them to be gay?

 

The AMA represents about 17% of docs and most of them are residents that are told to join or young docs that haven't learned to stop wasting their money yet

 

Because this isn’t about a consenting adult choosing to try to become straight.

This is about Christofascist parents torturing heir gay kids to try and force them to become straight.

 

The article makes clear that this isn’t about changing their fundamental attraction but changing behaviour, hence it not working for those only attracted to prepubescent children. It’d be similar to taking someone who is bisexual but convincing them only to have sex with people of the opposite sex. For someone who is exclusively attracted to the same sex only, no amount of “nudging” is going to give them any desire to have sex with the opposite sex and trying to force that could well do more harm than good, especially if it is presenting in a context of their fundamental nature being evil or sinful.

Regardless of whether it was possible, the question is whether it should be done. Clearly action of paedophiles is necessary because of the identified harm and resultant criminality of them engaging in that behaviour and again, it is typically only imposed after they’ve committed crimes. You’d have to establish a similar level of harm from consensual homosexual sex to justify equivalent action.

And of course, this is only a restriction on the imposition of this “therapy” on minors. Adults would remain free to subject themselves to it if they chose to. And, of course, anyone is capable of choosing not to have sex, with specific individuals (say because they’re married or related to you) or with anyone at all without any form of “therapy”.

 

So she had never been sexually attracted to women before that point?

 

By definition, waiting until marriage to have sex is “deviant” but I bet you have no problem promoting that “sexually deviant behavior”.

 

And when the person is a 14 year old gay kid forced into “conversion therapy” by their religious fanatic parents?

 

this is about confused kids with brains too underdeveloped to make good decisions, for example the ability to be responsible with a gun, drink alcohol or to vote.