Hate in America: Where it comes from and why it's back

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  1. Cigar

    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To better understand the current spike in bigotry and hate in the United States, Yahoo News interviewed historians, sociologists, psychologists and experts who study hate groups. And we spoke to four individuals caught up in the white nationalist movement, including a former Ku Klux Klan leader and a young ex-“social justice warrior,” whose stories are told here.

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    On Oct. 19, former President George W. Bush traveled to New York City to deliver a speech at an event dedicated to “The Spirit of Liberty: At Home, In the World.”

    His message was sobering.

    Most of the media focused on Bush’s “implicit rebukes” of the man who currently occupies his old office, Donald J. Trump: his barely veiled critiques of “conspiracy theories and outright fabrication”; of “bullying and prejudice in our public life”; of a “discourse degraded by casual cruelty.”

    But less attention was paid to what might have been the most significant part of his speech. George W. Bush, the previous Republican president, was appearing on the political stage for one of the few times since leaving the White House nearly nine years ago – to announce that hate, of all things, was back.

    We’ve seen nationalism distorted into nativism,” Bush lamented. “Bigotry seems emboldened.”

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    INB4 .. .But But But ... Liberals :yawn:
     
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    It's a strange time, people expect other people to make them happy... they google cat meme's to make themselves feel good then tear others apart at the earliest opportunity. We've taken social media and turned it into ugly, shallow and the standard for what should and should not be... no wonder they always feel like they do not measure up. I avoid as much of this as I can, but unless you're a hermit you'll never be able to avoid it completely... on here the ignore list is my friend, who needs all that hate.. certainly I do not. As far as any form of discrimination online goes it needs to be stamped out... completely.
     
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    Bush's treasonous fabrications about WMD did much to create domestic hate.
     
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    Hate in America: Where it comes from and why it's back

    I find it likely we are seeing the reaction of our historically white majority lashing out in fear as it slides into minority and begins to lose its dominant status/power.
     
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    It has become acceptable to hate and to use previously unacceptable taboos. I think it is because of social media, instant communication and the 24 hour news cycle. To get attention in the media, an item has to stand out and if your item is like the previous ones it won't be noticed. Ergo scandal, hyperbole and nastiness are the means for getting attention.
     
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    It does not help in the least that our current president condones if not champions this making many believe it is now acceptable.
     
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    I also agree with that statement from the Yahoo article, which follows,
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    And, finally, now as then there is the ascendance of leadership that is seen to condone the worst forms of expression. It is not coincidental, Painter and others say, that this reactionary uptick follows the two terms of the first African-American president.

    “I think the spark this time around was the Obama presidency, which I think shook a segment of America to the core,” she says. “He was the embodiment of a political change, societal change, which has been taking place for the past couple of generations but haltingly. This made it real.”
     
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    Written by someone who sees everthing he doesn't agree with as a personal affront to his faction. When you view the world through micr-aggression colored glasses, this is what you become, a perpetually offended professional victim. Nice "as an example" thread on "cultural appropriation" up. Rap music not intended for yoga. :roflol:
     
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    You may well be right, but I became aware of overt racism which was freely expressed. I had never noticed before it in the open. Racism was always hinted at or obliquely expressed before Obama.
     
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    I’d suggest it’s always existed and the only difference is that you’re talking about it more at the moment. From the outside, the US has always looked like a highly divided society, on grounds of politics, party (not always the same thing), race, religion, culture, state and income. All the show of national pride and shouts of “USA! USA!” only serve to highlight it.
     
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    I know it has always existed in certain areas, but it seemed as though the US had evolved out of the bad old days.
     
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    The dominating narrative in media and the intellectual hegemons never do anything but talk about race. Day in day out, they tell us that only thing that defines a person is their physical attributes and that every relation, every interaction is one of power; if you are black, you are oppressed. If you are a woman, you are even more oppressed and if you are a black woman you are the "oppressesest" there is. Categorising people into groups in this way creates friction that eventually creates individuals who form "hate groups".
     
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    I'd have replied sooner had you "quoted" ... Not really any different under Obama. Many said the rhetoric / divisiveness was worse, and created by Obama. Ferguson, Trayvon, Mike Brown comments cited as the source of tensions. Michelles comment "1st time proud to be American ... house built by slaves". Racially insensitive, even inflamatory remarks were shrugged off by major news outlets. At some point media decided racial tensions were the GOP's achilles heel. Wall to wall coverage, and "tip of the iceberg" hysteria ensued. The white perspective, if there is one, is always elicited from the most radical fringe media can find. A lot of us criticized media for providing these extremists a platform. Racism is goes both ways. Most reject both sides.
     
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    Of course, the discourse is highly exaggerated too since most people don't judge people solely on their physical attributes and sexual preferences. "Hate groups" are marginalised, but the discourse make it sound as if genuine racism and misogyny is the cultural norm and this puts peripheral groups in the centre of attention, making them attract resentful, social outcasts.

    KKK, BLM, Radical Feminism, MGTOW, White Nationalism are all the result of a distorted perspective on society and a deluded narrative.
     
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    Like punching people standing on the street who you think might think differently than you?

    Oh, how about how people go and scream at police, egg women, beat political oppositions with bike locks, pull fire alarms at convention theaters, or say "kill all white people", all while trying to say "love trumps hate"?
     
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    Michelle Obama's remark" People in this country are ready for change and hungry for a different kind of politics and … for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.", doesn't sound so terrible and inflammatory to me.
    Why should the Obamas have not been able to talk about being successful black people?
     
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    Hate is an effective political tactic.

    You can manipulate people to act against their interests, as well as the common good, if you can convince them to hate.

    It amazes me that people who side with the major hate groups, such the Democrat party and its allies, are unable to see that they are being manipulated.

    PAY ATTENTION!

    People, somehow, allow themselves to be distracted by some insignificant rightist hate group, when all the while fully half of the country is being led by the biggest hate group of all.
     
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    I don't listen to the left for my views. All I need to do is listen to trump.

    Anyone supporting this guy is a mean and hateful person. End of story.
     
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    Really? Divisive rhetoric is acceptable so long as it's eloquently spoken? You have a bright future in media if you can can say Michelle wasn't deliberately open old wounds, and manage to sound sincere.
     
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    Your hate and prejudice is showing.

    Biggest myth circulating right now is that if you don't support a certain person or their group, you must "hate" them. I don't see everyone that supports trump as people who are hateful. Other than the "alt-right" (white identitarian leftist), there is love for this country, and anyone who supports the country. But I cant say I have seen them "hating" on those who are in this country trying to destroy the US. I haven't seen Trump supporters at Hillary or Berny rallies trying to suppress their functions. You notice how the SJW left incites violence when they go to disrupt rallies they don't agree with?
     
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    This is a perfect example. It appears to be completely unnoticed that this is a mean, hateful, and bigoted comment directed against a large group of people.

    It illustrates my point that if people can be convinced to hate the political opposition, their critical thinking abilities are neutralized.

    As to how this goes unnoticed by those so affected; I think that when the hate campaign is made such a widespread phenomenon in common culture, when it's promoted by politicians, media, entertainers, and academics, many people just absorb it and accept it as rational thought. When hate is made as common as the air they breathe, people seem unable to be aware that they are simply following along with the current, fabricated style of belief.
     
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    Facts are facts. No amount of bs changes that.

    Trump is scum. Anyone who supports him is not a good person.
     
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    I didn't hate trump until I listened to the vile and hate spewing from his face. What I saw was a monster with crowds full of blood lust cheering like Romans at the Coliseum.

    It was and is the scariest and most despicable thing I've ever seen in this country.
     
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    Just say no to unreasoning hate. It kills the mind.
     
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    We have fought wars to defeat crap like this.
     

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