Pentagon ran secret multi-million dollar UFO programme

Aircraft have been detected. Nothing more. There is no sensor that says "this is alien".

Antigravitics, or in this case, "electrogravitics" was just what they called it in the 1950s, before they really understood what was going on. It is a form of electropropulsion, but it doesn't actually affect gravity.

But you're perfectly willing to believe an alien conspiracy theory. Again, Occam's razor tends toward a merely terrestrial "conspiracy" (if the existence of secret aircraft can in fact be called a conspiracy), especially since we know that secret aircraft do exist, and the technology within is always decades ahead of what anybody else has. And that's why it's secret.

Ever hear of a thing called compartmentalization? Or how about a "need to know" basis? Ever hear of that?

 

The problem with arguing against the idea that aliens can get here is that it assumes there's no way to travel vast distances if it can't be traversed in a reasonable time at the speed of light.

It's beyond our currently known technology, but travel beyond the speed of light would be possible if we could warp space-time, which we could if we discovered a Unified Field theory (UFT).

 

Yes, craft which operate beyond our technology. And given this, the question has to be asked. What are the options? To voice the options is hardly tin foil hat thinking.

Yes, I know about the stove pipes. And need to know. But it is also tin foil hat thinking to think we have technology which could change the world but we keep it secret, in case we need to use it in the next war. Given we have been in various wars recently.

 

But we are NOT "given this". You seem to be under the misconception that you know the full extent of human technology at this point.

AGAIN, maybe we did use them, and they just weren't seen (stealth mode, engage). Or maybe we just didn't need next level tech to beat minor powers. And also, maybe this tech wouldn't "change the world" as much as you think it would.

Again, I urge you to consider Occam's razor, and just how convoluted an explanation you are promoting. Your explanation involves alien races traveling light-years to hover above a race they have no interest in actually talking to. And this alien race can travel between stars, but has no stealth? There is no greater tin foil hat thinking than alien conspiracy theories.

 

You still don't have any evidence. That was my point

 

There are a lot of assumptions here. First, you're talking about what we could do if we had a theory that doesn't exist right now. How the hell do you know what a UFT would tell us when we don't have one? Also, even if a UFT does tell us how to hypothetically bend space, that doesn't mean that the engineering is going to be feasible. I mean, let's say it's as easy as Star Trek makes it out to be; you're still going to have to come up with a **** ton of antimatter. We may simply not have enough raw materials to bend space even if we knew how.

And also, we don't know if people could even live inside warped space, even if they weren't constantly being bombarded with the radiation from a matter/antimatter reaction located right next to them on the ship.

 

You are making the mistake of taking old theory that nothing can travel faster than light as fact. Well, if you go by old theories you would take as fact that the Earth is flat, which would be a mistake. Why do I say that nothing can travel faster than light is old??? Because NASA is working on a warp drive right now.

Well, I have been following the explanation of a Unified Field Theory (UFT) from a friend of mine @AboveAlpha who has, posted extensively about what a UFT can do, he has a degree in physics, and he has been helping me get up to speed on multiverse theory.

Anyway an antimatter reaction would take advantage of multiverse theory to create an antimatter reaction in all infinite in number multiversal states to channel all of that energy into the reaction. We don't need to waste all of that antimatter, we just need to steal the energy from parallel universes, and there are an infinite number of them.

Living in a bubble would, I assume, be the same as surviving in any bubble. You need air, heat, light, ect. And, don't touch the edge, so keep your head, arms, and legs inside the vehicle at all times.

I don't know anything about Antimatter radiation, but a proper containment system for antimatter radiation is something that would be invented before it carries people, as opposed to space probes.

 

Did I? Quote where I said that.

Get back to me when they get it working.

The problem is, the UFT doesn't exist, so Alpha or anyone else talking about what it might tell us is just speculation. He may have a degree in physics, but not physics that doesn't exist yet. And that's assuming he's for real, and not just some dude pretending to be Buckaroo Bonzai on the internet.

Oh yeah, ****ing easy, right? Again, just because something doesn't break any physical laws doesn't mean that the engineering is feasible.

Yeah, and radioactive shielding is really heavy, making it unsuitable for use in spacecraft.

 

I don't personally have evidence of anything in regards to fact, when it concerns the quantum level of reality. And yet, I believe in the evidence which I have never seen. Because people smarter than you or I told us as much. Elizondo says the scientific evidence is there that these objects exist and are in our air space. Sometimes for two weeks around the Nimitz battle group off the san diego coast. He told us a fact, backed by science, but he will not let me see the actual evidence, what the scientists involved told him, so that he would say there is scientific evidence. It is classified, but he did tell us the big picture, which the evidence yields. Listen to him again, but there are other videos online of Elizondo, talking to MSM.

You should be questioning his creds instead of refusing to accept what he told america in regards to the scientific evidence. It makes you appear to be one of those so called debunkers as opposed to a skeptic.

 

couple mil is peanuts over there.

agree: prolly misinfo to cover up X-aircraft

 

sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

the tech available in the 'classified' world of secret govt and corporate programs is always between 20 and 50 years ahead of what we the public have knowledge of.

im not discounting the possibility/plausibility of ETs or their presence in our world, but I think its far more likely and common that what goes unnexplained in our sky is the work of our own secretive, human elites than it is ETs.

 

Yes, the dark side of our war dept, is generally more advanced, yet Elizondo said that these UFOs are beyond our next step in technology. He must have been told this by the team of scientists working on this project. He got it from somewhere that is for damn sure.

I don't know of anyone in science who believes we have the technology that the nature of these objects display. No doubt we are more advanced in some areas, as we were with the stealth bomber, that we didnt know about until our foray into the middle east. But something that appears to be antigravity propulsion? I have heard of no physicist or engineer who believes that.

 

When all of this scientific "evidence" is declassified, and scientists can actually examine it, I'll re-evaluate my position then.

For now, you have nothing to go on but faith and that's not enough for me.

 

Faith? No faith involved than would be involved when one finds out there is scientific evidence that our skies are being invaded by objects, intelligently controlled which exhibits technology we do not understand.

That we were recently told this fact by Elizondo, who was in the position at the DoD to know, makes him the weak link. For he could be outright lying to the american people. Punking america.

 

I saw 'antigravity' in Popular Mechanics at the dentist 20 years ago. it was a superconductive plate of some kind that could levitate a small non-magnetic object when massive amounts of electricity were run through it. iirc, it was being developed in japan. the article speculated it might some day be useful in building a space elevator or as a new propulsion for aircraft. havnt seen nor heard anything about it since (unsurprisingly).

I wouldnt doubt for a second that a usable antigravity craft exists on some secret base somewhere, and I would be equally unsurprised if it has been reverse engineered from ET tech.

Hell. The fastest jet, officially, is still the SR71, and its 50 years old. Theres generations of tech out there that we dont know about.

 

Well, I cannot discount this, a impossible. But it would be a big conspiracy to keep such tech away from commercial use. Yet I have no doubt his govt is capable of such a conspiracy.

 

You have a lot of faith in Elizondo. However I've seen quite a lot of national security "experts" who tout their credentials of former government employment and security clearance to push their own agendas.

 

Well, there must be some money to be made in the ufo community. And Elizondo could be an opportunist, a fake, in order to make money from the ufo community. It is quite big these days or so I understand. I am not of it, but I am aware of its major players,

Yes, I accept that Elizondo's story is true, that he was tired of nothing being done in regards to this study into ufos and our military, voiced this to Matthis, his friend in the trump admin, in his resignation letter, and left the DoD.

 

AboveAlpha would tend to disagree with you.........

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...se-of-e-t-data-part-2.411555/#post-1065069212
Russia's Government talks about Release of E.T. data. (Part 2)

 

Yes.... he very well could do that......
because at least one major UFO event is highly relevant to what his mission in life may be.

 

Dennis, well sure E.T.s can be cold and calculating, but they helped me out while they were studying me.

In one of my alien encounters, once an alien fixed my knee when it came loose in its socked while the alien was examining me. The alien touched a small device up to my knee and in a few seconds the discomfort disappeared. At first I thought it was just masking the pain, so I was upset that I'd be hurting it while moving because I couldn't feel pain, but the alien said he fixed my knee, not masked the pain, and I thanked him.

 

Wow!!!!!

I am of the belief that over ninety percent of the population of the earth is going to become
significantly more interested in spirituality ......... BUT.........
most of us will tend to become more confused by the possibility of
alien and / or demonic and / or discarnate entity (ghostly) involvement in genuine miracles.........
that could well have more than one source.

Revelation 13:14

"And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."


Matthew 12:24

¶
But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellowdoth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."

If they said this of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus... then how much more so will they say similar things about me........
considering what I have already written online?

Wgabrie.... you know how our friend AboveAlpha is kind of like Schroedinger's cat don't you?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat

I hint at some of the reasons here......

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-for-the-role-of-elijah-needed.499830/page-3

 

As much as I’d love this to be true, Steve Bassett said this about Bush and Obama too

 

Well, yes. It's probably going to happen that Trump isn't a disclosure President too.

According to a user called AboveAlpha, standing Presidents don't usually have the clearance or need-to-know to access the E.T. files. The last one to hold that clearance was George Bush Sr..

 

One quite valid reason to release UFO and related information would be to scare Russia and China out of any possible plans that they may have been working on to attempt to defeat America in WWIII?!


Could this UFO have been Made in America?



To my thinking this is one of the quite possible implications of the nearly four hour long interview with Steven Greer M. D. regarding the evidence for "UFO" contact with America since WWII.





One of the big questions that this leaves us with is IF......
the 2011 UFO event over the Temple Mount was a USA made craft then........
why in the world were American astronauts piloting such obsolete equipment such as used in the recent Challenger missions??????