Could the Holy Spirit - Holy Ghost = God the Mother?

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    But.... do we want our kids subjected to another fifty years of
    the Politically Correct version of Atheistic Evolutionary Theory that
    is being taught at this time?????


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...lain-god-for-me.529116/page-6#post-1068917547
    Let this boy explain GOD for me

    I have an evil, diabolical and sneaky streak in me.......
    and I am convinced that the key to getting Theistic Evolutionary Theory taught in
    universities and in North American schools.........
    is.....The Divine Feminine?!

    ....(It is better than the Richard Dawkins Ph. D. Atheistic Evolutionary Theory that is Politically Correct at this time)!
     
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    Is there any actual scientific documentation of that occuring?
     
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    If you were to read the writers I previously listed for you, and meditate on them, and gain spiritual insight relevant to it all, you would realize that the meaning hidden in the words of the Bible is that when we "come to God" there are three phases. The first is that if "the Holy Spirit". In this phase we are beginning our journey and are just finding our footing. We want to overcome our human ways of seeing and thinking. We want to give up "sin" ... -things that block us from receiving of the Spirit. So God's influence, which has always been there but we just didn't see, begins to appear only because we are looking for it. As a result, many mistakes, shortcomings, flaws, sins, and erroneous thinking fall away. But our awareness is only beginning to open, so our view is very limited. In this stage our view of God is that of "the Holy Spirit" because that is all we can stand.

    In the second phase, we become aware of a being who is present with us. It is actually God, still, but we are still unable to see the fullness. So we begin to purify ourselves with the help of what we perceived to be "the Holy Spirit". This is how it feels. And as we progress, that Being comes closer and closer and we see more and more. In time we realize it is "the Son".... "the Christ" in us.
    Colossians 3:11 - "Christ is all, and in all."

    It is still actually God, but we still are unable to receive the fullness of it. So we see "the Son". And in time, we find ourselves "face-to-face" with the Son. If we are to continue our journey to God, we now must surrender all to "the Son", which is really God but we can't see it yet. We are fully, entirely persuaded at this point that this is indeed THE SON and not anything else. So to continue the journey, we give ourselves fully with a total surrender of all we are, all we have, all we believe, all we think we know, all we want, all we hate, all we love, all we desire, to The Son. We see it all as filthy baggage and give it up in order to be pure and to be worthy of The Son. And when this is done, we merge with The Son in me. We become one in him.
    John 17:21-23 - "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us"

    John 10:9 "I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved."



    This is the discovery of "Christ in me" wherein we can no longer distinguish the two as separate" self and Son. Our actual experience becomes "I, Christ" because "I" has vanished due to total surrender and only the Son remains where we stand. But this is God and yet we still don't know it.

    In the third and final stage, The Son "takes me to the Father". The Son as me completes the journey that I am unable to take on my own, because that would require will, and in surrendering self to the Son, "we" and our will cease to exist. The only will that remains is the will of God, done by the Son. So the Son completes the journey for us, as us, and "we go to the Father" and become one with God.
    1 Corinthians 6:17 "But the person who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17) (NIV)

    So in this we see what is meant by the trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. It is really all God. The three are actually a representation or view due to our limited ability to be aware and see in each of the two early phases before we get to the full Reality in the third.
     
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    No

    Science + Logic = No god(s)
     
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    Thank you for the link..... to the interesting article....... but I really do think that you and the author of the article are essentially incorrect. I believe that our consciousness is capable of functioning at higher levels of space - time vibration energetic levels than what we have here in four dimensional space time.
    .....

    Dr. George Ritchie reported visiting four higher invisible dimensions of space - time.......
    if you wish to believe that there is no connection to String Theory being
    connected to higher invisible dimensions of space - time..... it is a free country and you can believe whatever you wish!


    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/george-ritchie.html#a05a
    .....
    This comment in section e indicates that even in seventh dimensional space - time vibrational level energy...... George and Jesus were invisible to them... which implies that they were in an even higher dimension.

    Once George and Jesus went up to the next energetic / vibrationallevel...... they were visible to the beings there.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20030203225046/http://www.near-death.com/experiences/ritchie03.html
     
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    You should switch to reading Science Fiction. Much more creative and often actually based on actual science.
     
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    Read the first chapter of this book and tell me that one again!

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html

     
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    Or... Fundamental or Nearly fundamental energy x infinite time x Tehillards Law of Complexity Consciousness = we are all becoming more and more "godlike" step by step by step......

    Jhn 10:34


    Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
    If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
     
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    Kabbala is Jewish. Asking a Jewish Kabbalaist would and might be a better way of receiving proper understanding.
     
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    Not name calling.. Not making mockery... Not jeering... but you yourself, could you call your biological dad a 'mother' and laugh it off or would you have a difficult time to do such?

    Some are able, .. would you be one who also is?

    Is it true that the way a child views or feels towards their biological 'dad' is how they view or feel towards GOD?

    QUESTION:
    What's a difference between life in the earlier and even B.C. centuries and now?

    Less land work and more commercial work. Less soil and dirt and more concrete and asphalt.

    If a person needed to be away from the 'wrongs' of the parents, then, they could go and work on soil and dirt to get their minds cleared.

    Today, they need to go into office spaces.

    Being around others who actually 'curse' rather than 'bless' is just as debilitating.

    Not curse(es) to personal sentiments but rather true curses. And not bless(ings) to personal sentiments, but, true blessings.

    For you to agree with my sentiments might make me feel better but your agreeing might be more of a true curse than a true blessing.


    Here is a very common 'curse' many believe is a 'blessing':

    To put 'your' help over GOD's.

    This is even true with new business development(s). Putting in new businesses thinking it is a 'help' to the community without GOD's participation or acceptance/approval, is like putting self's help before GOD's, to the community.

    No true help, blessing, to the individual(s); not even to self(s).

    Did Jesus have flesh? Then He had a heart of flesh, 'tempted like as we are, yet without sin.' Hebrews 4:15
     
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    '..in all points tempted like as we are,...'

    To receive curses instead of blessings.

    He died among many. Some die alone.

    Maybe it has something to do with personal choices. He chose to lay down His life.

    Many can't make choices of personal well being.

    Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

    Substance :
    5287. hupostasis
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    confidence, substance.
    From a compound of hupo and histemi; a setting under (support), i.e. (figuratively) concretely, essence, or abstractly, assurance (objectively or subjectively) -- confidence, confident, person, substance.

    Hebrews 6:14-15 "Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise."

    Was Abraham and Sarah living in misery or pain or trials during those awaiting years?

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/508484614162040873/


    Waiting for and working for, are not the same.

    Abram and Sarai followed and obeyed GOD. They had faith. They did work. How would they have remained alive if they did no work?

    They planted, they harvested, they gathered waters, tthey lived among the others, they paid for properties, they raised their livestock. They were daily working.
    But even GOD creates 'the destroyers'.

    If faith was being tested, that would mean that 'the destroyers' are of fuller faith.

    There are many statues, there are many names.. but there is ONLY 1 GOD that does.

    Matthew 10:34. "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

    Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

    James 4:14 "Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away."

    Ecclesiastes 1:2 "Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity."

    Vanity:
    #1892 - Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    altogether, vain, vanity
    Or (rarely in the abs.) Habel {hab-ale'}; from habal; emptiness or vanity; figuratively, something transitory and unsatisfactory; often used as an adverb -- X altogether, vain, vanity.


    Something to do with life in Eternity?

    Patient faith, even with not much 'substance', is a real 'substance' in the hereafter?

    Poor in this world, exceedingly wealthy in the hereafter?

    Material possessions or The Fruit of The (Holy) Spirit; GOD?

    How can any have the fruit of The Spirit among 'the destroyers'?

    Psalm 44:22 "Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter."

    Psalm 23:3. "He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake."

    Saving lives or getting them treatment?

    OR are The Sheep the ones needing treatment?
     
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    Nonetheless, wasting time is neither treatment or saving .
     
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    Near death experiences are frightening to hear. Stories of fire, pain, torture, screams, pleads for help, writhing in pain...

    2 Peter 2:4-5

    "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;"

    Chains of darkness?

    http://biblehub.com/text/2_peter/2-4.htm

    Could the chains of darkness be 'depression'?

    Doleful darkness?

    It's not Good that GOD should make a person depeessed, huh? Doesn't sound too Loving to me.


    That man, Lucifer, is not going to enjoy the 1000 years of his chain...

    Revelations 20:3 "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

    What is this person's 'joy'?

    "..and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more,.."

    Nations:
    1484. ethnos
    Gentile, heathen

    Probably from etho; a race (as of the same habit), i.e. A tribe; specially, a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually, by implication, pagan) -- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.


    He should deceive:
    4105. planaó
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    deceive, err, seduce, wander
    From plane; to (properly, cause to) roam (from safety, truth, or virtue) -- go astray, deceive, err, seduce, wander, be out of the way.


    'Live, Eat, Drink! Tomorrow there is Nothing!'

    Mockery? More frightening...


    I cannot lie in saying these ideas DO NOT EXIST.

    If this is offensive to any, I apologize.
     
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    I try not to be seen as attacking human thought or morals or values or even beliefs.

    There are 7.6 billion alive today. In 82 years, when most of us will not be alive, there is going to be an estimated 11.3 billion. With around 4 billion more persons, more than half of the total of today, more cars, buildings, parking structures, homes, etc, will need to be developed to accommodate. And with the rise of the human population, so might drug use, homelessness, crime and the other facets of life everybody is trying to be safe from.

    That's in 82 years. If there are hundreds of years that is going to follow, if the human population growth stays on the same pattern, there might be half of 11 billion, or 6 billion more added 82 years from 2100.

    2018 = 7.6 billion
    2100 = 11.3 billion?
    2182 = 17 billion?


    Some have more than that in dollar bills. Or even 5 dollar bills.

    So I apologize if I'm offensive to you.

    The more the earth gets covered with asphalt and concrete, the less it's going to be able to breathe.

    Plants above the surfaces might be able to live for a while but with no breathing, life cannot continue too much longer.

    7.6 billion need to eat today. 11.3 billion will need to eat 82 years from now; 2100.

    It will the time of your children's children.

    Kind of like how your grandparents might have felt when they were still in their 30s and 40s and 50s.

    If a person is 42 years old today, 82 years previous today would be the year, 1936.

    You would have had to have been born in the year 1936 to be 82 years today.

    My grandmother would be over 105 years today, if she was still breathing.


    When GOD cries, do you think HE cries for the one that is in pain or for the one inflicting the pain?

    For a person to not think, or have negative emotions, inflicting pain on another is wrong, might mean he/she has some kind of mental block and such a person can be a dangerous person to not be concerned about.

    When GOD cries, do you think HE cries for the one that is in pain or for the one inflicting the pain? Why is anyone in pain? Not that one is being neglected or preferred.

    I know GOD cries for the one in pain. Does HE cry for the inflicter, though?

    Does HE cry because the inflicter isn't getting proper help?

    The pain receiver and pain giver doesn't have to be as 'chained'/ tormentor type situation.

    Would you say the inflicter was being hard headed for not stopping his/her inflictions and/or inflicting?

    How would you feel or think watching another eat raw flesh who was saying it was okay?

    A cultural thing? Yes.

    When does a culture neglect life for its culture?

    Ancient hand downs?

    Would they be able to show evidence instead of just 'oral' hand downs?

    And if the inflicted/Inflicter is not a part of a certain/specific culture, then it is within the capitalist culture.
     
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    OK... then if this is moronic..... then what I have prayed for over in this other discussion will NOT come to pass will it?


    Children ripped away from parents in Germany for the crime of homeschooling.

     
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    No worries..... I really think that Howard Storm was tapping into a reliable source.......

    a better world is coming by 2185........

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/howard-storm.html#a04

     
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    Humanity never lost touch with the feminine, in fact most of us either are or enjoy it every day and those who do not are trying to become it. Thus do we get confused as a species and create bathroom issues while trying to hormone our way into transgender bliss.
     
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    When asked what G-d greatest creation was......
    I always answer women...... not that I can figure them out mind you?????!
     
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    God did not create women...God IS a woman. Think about it....vindictive, hyperbolic, rash and cruel. Deceptive, cunning and confusing....she even lets everyone think she is male to avoid being blamed...Gotta love her.
     
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    Moronic is still moronic. Thinking a god would be comprehensible in human terms like Father, Mother, is just pure childish fantasy. Imaging a god in man's image could only prove the fallacy of intelligent design, at least in the case of humanity.
     
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    Unless.... the first Intelligence began and evolved in fundamental energy and after a nearly infinite number of trillions of years of learning made humans........ somewhat in the image of the Elohim.......
    and were using the images of Father and Mother to teach an important lesson?????

    I am in agreement with the six who voted for:
    "Fundamental or nearly fundamental energy."
    but I have to admit that I think that the three who voted for "carbon based life in outer space." did quite good in this poll.

    Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?

    The first Intelligence began in.....?

    1. Carbon based life less than 5 billion years ago, on earth.
      7 vote(s)
      41.2%

    2. Carbon based life in outer space.
      3 vote(s)
      17.6%
    3. *
      Fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.
      6 vote(s)
      35.3%

    4. This is a new question that I am only now facing.
      1 vote(s)
      5.9%
     
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    The first intelligence in the universe made man in the image of god and were using images of father and mother as a teaching tool. Logical thinking has just left the building.
     
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