Assault Weapons Not Protected by Second Amendment, Federal Appeals Court Rules

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  1. Xenamnes

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    https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA132-SB-260

    Sec. 2923.171. (A) No person shall knowingly possess or acquire any assault weapon.

    (D) As used in this section, "assault weapon" means an automatic firearm that has not been rendered permanently inoperable, a semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine with the capacity to accept ten or more cartridges, and a semi-automatic firearm with a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept ten or more cartridges.

    No mention of additional features such as pistol grips, threaded muzzles, adjustable stocks, bayonet lugs, or any of the other common cosmetic features utilized in classifying a firearm as a so-called "assault weapon". Rather the proposed bill redefines so-called "assault weapons" to include all semi-automatic firearms.

    Do you wish to recant your original, blatantly false statement?
     
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    100% false.

    there are many semi-auto firearms that would be legal under the law you posted.
     
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    That AR-15 is a .22 caliber fancy squirrel gun. The Mini-14, which has never been banned and indeed will only be banned if all semiautomatic rifles are banned, hold the record at 67 dead which was done without flash hider, pistol grip, folding stock or bayonet lug in a country that doesn't allow AR-15s.
     
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    when?
     
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    2011, Norway.
     
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    Then actually show the evidence of such, since such a statement is being made by yourself. As the proposed legislation is written, every single semi-automatic firearm that makes use of a detachable magazine would qualify as a so-called "assault weapon" and be prohibited from ownership.
     
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    and what did that gun look like?
     
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    Anders Behring Breivik had explosives and guns.
     
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    according to the 1994 AWB, Anders Breivik was using an assault weapon
     
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    No, the Ruger Mini14 doesn't have two of pistol grip, flash hider, bayonet lug, grenade launcher or folding stock. In fact, it has none of those and was exempted by name.
     
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    it had a bayonet, and a high capacity magazine
     
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    The Mini14 doesn't have a bayonet lug and ability to accept a high capacity magazine wasn't a criterion.
     
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    Breivik's Mini-14 had a bayonet on it, and a bunch of other stuff
     
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    Installing a makeshift bayonet mount does not count for assault weapon definition. He did install a foreground via a nonstandard mount, but it took two prohibited cosmetic devices to make it an assault weapon. The Mini14 is exempted by the 2018 AWB bill.
     
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    according to NY's AWB, Breivik's gun is illegal.
     
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    Essentially, it's a military rifle.

    You can quibble about the fire selector switch if you like. But who is listening to pedantics when so many children are dead?
     
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    Because he chose to include prohibited features onto the existing platform, thereby converting it into a so-called "assault weapon" when it was not classified as such to begin with. If the law was indeed read and understood by yourself, it would be known that converting a non-prohibited firearm into a so-called "assault weapon" is also prohibited.
     
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    I've seen the picture, and read the accompanying text. He bolted on an aftermarket Picatinny rail, and then attached multiple devices. The foregrip would be proscribed, but simply attaching a bayonet to rail is not illegal under the AWB. It must be built with a bayonet lug, and rail attachments for bayonets are not a military component. See if you can figure out why.
     
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    Anyone who wants an AR, should have to muster and present Arms on a regular basis.
     
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    Everyone should have to muster on a regular basis if the militia is everyone.
     
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    Not every wants to keep and bear Arms subject to that regulation.
     
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    Gun lovers have no excuse for not have a mustering "work ethic from the Age of Iron."
     
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    10 USC 311 says that all males 18-45 are in the unorganized militia. The 14th Amendment would extend that to a females in that demographic.

    There is nothing in there about owning guns or wanting to own guns.
     
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    Anyone who wishes to present their own opinion on a matter, especially if it runs contrary to government, should be required to obtain a permit, subject to annual renewal processes.
     
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