The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?

They may be esoteric, but they aren't mysticism. They are intellectual treatises lacking, as far as I can see, any spiritual value. Sorry.

 

So you lie and I am the liar. Typical Christian.

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DL

 

No problem. We all see things differently.

I see them, especially the mind one, as showing where our spirituality is found.

The Egyptian eye and the Vatican's creation painting show the same basic thing. They seem to have found spiritual meaning in those ancient icons and depictions of our brains.

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DL

 

There are several gnostic works or traditions in Christianity, but there is but one mysticism. Different mystics reveal different facets of the jewel, but it is one jewel. Mysticism always has spiritual relevance and a spiritual message. The mystics of Hinduism or Buddhism can sit and talk with a Christian mystic and understand. They will realize a shared awareness, consciousness, or insight. This is what mysticism is. It is one form of gnosticism.

 

But understanding a view of where are spirituality is found and how it is part of us is the "booby prize". BEING it is all.

Spirituality is about our Reality. It is the discovery that only Reality is. There is nothing else. What changes is not real; what is real does not change. Your original, true state of being is present now. Ponder this: the knowledge in you that knows change is, itself, changeless. Even the experience that you are, is not your true nature. If we see things differently, one or both of us is only seeing what is not real.

So the questions is, what is this that sees and thinks? As long as you believe you are an entity, spiritual salvation and all this talk is useless. You are not your body. You are not your mind. When we say "I went to work today" or "I drove to the store" we tell a lie and are living in the unreal unless we know it's a lie and is not Reality.

 

You lied (typical), I called you on it, and you double down (typical).

 

For sure. Gnostics do not discard any form of thought as we might miss something worthy of us.

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DL

 

That's an opinion, nothing more.

 

You seek what I would call a true vision. Gnostic Christianity shows where to find that from our POV.

Gnostic Jesus was questioned as to what sees the vision?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/maps/primary/mary.html

The Saviour answered and said, 'He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind which [is] between the two - that is [what] sees the vision...'

For where the mind is, there is the treasure.

Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

The treasure is in you.



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DL

 

There was no gnostic Jesus.

 

It is a process and again you show how childish you liars are in your thinking.

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DL

 

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.



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DL

 

"The only good Christian I ever saw is dead?" ... Wrong!

 

Whose quote are you showing as mine?

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DL

 

I have arrived at the same opinion. For it appears to me that christ was a gnostic, but that would give man no position of authority in any church that was formed. And gnostics would not have worked well being a state religion like the roman empire.

Anyways, if you did not have man involved as an authority in religion, to assume the position of being essential to salvation, there is no profit for man in that scheme. No fancy clothes, no bowing to authority, kissing his ring, etc. No amassing of wealth. No wonder the early church got rid of that heresy. For it did not serve particular men.

 

Philip Sheridan. I saw by the way yesterday a report about the history of Oliver Cromwell. What an unbelievable godless man too. And what a barbaric English nation.

 

Gnosticism is just one of many heresies and false teachings that were common around the advent of Jesus. It is no surprise to see this worldview still actively working against the True gospel of Christ, to lead peoply astray from the truth. That was its goal then, and it has not changed. Only the packaging of the lies are different, the lies themselves do not change.

 

I see your religion as lying a lot more than mine.

We deal in what can be known, while your religion lies every time it speaks of your supernatural, genocidal son murdering God.

From your reply, I doubt that you want to compare your Inquisition and murder using barbaric cult to my more peaceful religion.

Thanks for showing all here your Christian attitude.

You do my work of discrediting your religion for me.

Have you forgiven all the genocide users of history or just the prick you follow?

Do you now adore Hitler as much as your genocidal hero?

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DL

 

'Adversus Haereses', was an early Christian apologia, written by Irenaneus c. AD 180. He emphasized the earlier apostles writings, and many of those were directed at the heresy of Gnosticism. This is not an emotional belief, but a fact of history. I am not disparaging anyone's beliefs, but since the comparison was made, by you, toward historical, biblical Christianity, it is only fitting to provide the historical and theological points of contention. The caricatures of Christianity that you present are commonly done by enemies of the Christian faith, and only expose your hostile agenda.

..that you resort to ad hom and Hitler, only confirms this perception.

 

Quite relevant when your own God is a genocidal God who always seems to kill us instead of taking the moral high ground of curing instead of killing.

You did not deny his genocide so tell us what compels you to follow a genocidal God who is even worse than Hitler.

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DL

 

No thanks.. you seem to have a lot of hostility toward God and Christianity, and i doubt anything positive would come from this 'debate'. I took the bait, in this thread, and you got to vent a bit. ..not much more to say..

 

As my third link in the O.P. shows, I have ample reason to be hostile against your religion that grew by Inquisitions and murder instead of good moral arguments.

That is not surprising as you used the same tactics of using denigration instead of sound moral arguments here.

You have your God's genocidal mind set.

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DL

 

I have a problem with the term "gnostic Christian".

I know what a gnostic is... but I'm not at all sure what a "Christian" is...

 

I think "Greatest I am" is just simple a militant atheist who speaks continuously aggressive nonsense under the attribute "Christian" for to make a propagandistic Pavlovian conditioning with the people who read what he writes. He tries to manipulate everyone to get a background of ugly emotions if he hears the word "Christian".

And I would say in the moment: Christians are just simple people who know deep in their heart everyone is a child of god. Christians see often in all lifeforms sisters and brothers too and in everything what exists gods work, word and world.

 

In a nutshell.

Christians are the ones who cannot argue for the God in the bible and instead use force and Inquisitions instead of well put moral arguments to grow their religion.

Gnostic Christians are the ones who say that because of Gnosis and what they know, they can argue for Jesus' way of seeking God in the scriptures. Gnostic Christians will do the work of seeking God while Christians just idol worship their bible and God.

I thought that was fairly clear with the links I put in the O.P. but it takes some thinking.

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DL