Germany announces support for Assad

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    dont you think if a large war broke out in Europe with say Russia, the us would treat yah like the kurds:omg: in Syria leaving them hanging high a dry:eekeyes:
     
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    What's next, close ties to North Korea?
     
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    With the Germans, nothing would surprise.....if cheaper gas was involved, you can be sure that they'd be Kim's best new friend!
     
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    south korea just did the same, with kim, and looks like they work out something better then Seoul being blow to bits:eekeyes:
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    I'm not going to try and translate your article but it is not accurate with what I am finding. Basically they are saying there must be a political or negotiated solution and I am in total agreement with that but German's foreign minister said he couldn't imagine anyone who had used chemical weapons against his own people being part of that process.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-syria-solution-german-minister-idUSKBN1HN0QY

    However I did find this


    It was your AfD who had been visiting and trying to forge ties much to the disapproval of Merkel.
    https://www.ft.com/content/1fb2eb4a-21f1-11e8-9a70-08f715791301
     
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    The company has facilities and distribution companies in the UK, Poland, China, the UK, US and Austria. It is unclear if the Krempel delivery of the advanced technology is a violation of UN regulations and US sanctions.

    A spokesman for Krempel told Bild that the company was “shocked... that its Pressspan PSP-3040 apparently was used in motors that were applied to weapons of war.”

    Bild wrote that the delivery of dual-use technology to Iran, which can be used for both military and civilian purposes, raises questions whether Germany’s export control policy is feeble.
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    god, i bet you wish you could support the iraq war for a second time
     
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    I think there are a few facts worthy of consideration. I think all are public record. Syria was one of the nations to be taken down as laid out in PNAC. Ever hear of it? Concocted in the 90s by neocons, like Crystal, Wolfawitz and Cheney. It concerned itself with American hegemony, american empire for the 21st century. On that list along with syria were Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and Libya. Included also were a few north african nations. And russia was listed as a problem to american hegemony and must be dealt with.

    Now the fact that our foreign policy since 01 has coincidentally followed PNAC, and if one is rational, of course there is a connection here. And this figures into what we have done in syria. Granted, we used proxies, while pretending we were not, especially when it came to radical muslims. This explains why there was no great gain against the radicals fighting assad until russia was invited in to help syria with their civil war that involved much more than syrian opposition forces. Once the fight was seriously waged against the radicals, progress, great progress was made, and syria has succeeded with help of russia and iran, to keep their nation out of the hands of black flag flying radical muslims.

    The intent of the US was to keep syria in disorder and chaos, if assad was not taken down, although we wanted our proxies, financed by the saudis and others, to take him down. So, PNAC continued to be driving our foreign policy, even is we had to use proxies in order to fulfill it.

    No doubt things were getting ripe in syria, due to the suffering caused by the drought and the migration into cities, hard economic times, for an opposition to show its power and intent to take over syria. But if you think our CIA was not involved up to the gills in helping to foment this, and then supply help to the opposition, given PNAC, then such thinking is a bit cloudy and lacking clarity. Syria was in the gun sights of the necons and their scheme, PNAC. But for some reason, as with Libya, using our military as we did in Iraq was not the first choice. Probably several reasons for this.

    That is my take on it, anyways, and I think it is probably closer to reality than other takes on it. The big picture view is more than likely the right view to assume.
     
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    Coming from the country that supported Adolf Hitler this hardly comes as a surprise...

    :bored:
     
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    Certainly, he arrived disguised as a nice lady, poisoned Skirpal, and then escaped on the small submarine :-D
     
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    I don't though think it is Germany. Certainly that is not what I found. Germany supports talking and a political solution but their foreign minister said he thought that would be unlikely to be with anyone who used chemical weapons against his own people. The AfD however who Sobo is a member of have already been there chatting to them apparently much to Merkel's displeasure.
     
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    Talon, I think that Merkel in this case uses her own brain and do what she thinks is better for Germany, but not that what is told from Washington. I think this is a good sign.
     
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    „Unser Urteil über Assad ist klar, gleichzeitig muss man gerade in der Außenpolitik mit den Realitäten umgehen.“
    • Das sagte Regierungssprecher Steffen Seibert. Es gehe um einen „Prozess, der den Übergang organisieren kann“.
    • Syrien und die Bevölkerung bräuchten endlich ein Ende der Gewalt und den Beginn eines politischen Prozesses.
    "Our judgment about Assad is clear, but at the same time one must deal with the realities, particularly in foreign policy."
    • So said government spokesman Steffen Seibert. It is, according to him, a "process that can arrange the transition."
    • Syria and its people need an end at last to the violence and the beginning of a political process.
    Nach dem Militärschlag der USA, Frankreichs und Großbritanniens gegen Anlagen zur Produktion von Chemiewaffen in Syrien konzentrieren sich die Bemühungen nun wieder auf die Diplomatie. Dabei wird in Berlin plötzlich etwas erwogen, was bis vor Kurzem undenkbar schien: eine Lösung, in der Syriens Präsident Baschar al-Assad eine Rolle spielen kann.

    Als Erster forderte der außenpolitische Sprecher der Unionsfraktion im Bundestag, Jürgen Hardt (CDU), am Wochenende, diesen „unbequemen Gedanken“ zu wagen. Russland werde schließlich einer Lösung ohne Assad nicht zustimmen. „Es gibt keine Lösung mit Assad, aber auch keine ohne ihn“, sagte er im Interview mit WELT. Unionsfraktionschef Volker Kauder (CDU) sagte dann in der „Bild“-Zeitung, er würde auch mit Assad reden.

    Following the military strike by the USA, France and Great Britain against chemical weapons production facilities in Syria, efforts will now be focused once again on diplomacy. In Berlin, something is suddenly being considered that seemed unthinkable until a short time ago: a solution in which Syria's president Bashar al-Assad can play a role.

    As a first step, the foreign policy speaker of the union faction in the Bundestag, Jürgen Hardt (CDU), called for this "uncomfortable idea" to be considered over the weekend. In the end, Russia will not agree to a solution without Assad. "There is no solution with Assad, but also none without him," he said in an interview with WELT. Union faction leader Volker Kauder (CDU) then said in the journal "Bild" that he would also speak with Assad.


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    It seems they're too afraid of Russia to take a tougher stance on the issue. :/
     
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    I'm shocked that the self-righteous know-it-all Germans were shocked.....it's a good deflection, however....probably learned the art of plausible denial from the Russians!
     
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    Germany is an economic superpower with an economic power almost as big as UK and France combined. I dont think we should worry about anything.

    Also when were the kurds able to build a hydrogen bomb in a matter of days?

    So...please.
     
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    Yet another goofy post.....inherently ignorant!
     
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    Actually not. We are realistic and want this **** to end. Best thing we can do is to sell Assad some thermobaric bombs so he can incinerate all this islamist scum. That would be legal and fine.
     
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    The man is scum. He is no better than those he's fighting, as I deem chemical weapons to be no better than head-chopping.
     
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    You are from the country supporting al Saud. Pinochet and evry bloodthirsty tyrant as long it pleases your oligarchs. So spare me this moralistic ****.
     
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    He is moderate and only under his rule can non muslim life exist in Syria. Thats a simple fact.

    His bad aspect is that he was to weak at first.

    His father destroyed an entire city in a single night and killed all 40.000 inhabitants, when riots broke out there. He was absolutely feared.

    Bashar was to weak at first and allowed this to spread. The muslim needs to be ruled with an iron grip.

    When this **** started Bashar should have killed the city where it started. He didnt do it. This was seen as weakness.
     
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    Fair enough but you will see that those who visited Assad from the AfD were criticised by Merel
    https://www.ft.com/content/1fb2eb4a-21f1-11e8-9a70-08f715791301

    Syria needs a chance of some peace and the ability to build it up again. I see a difference between realising that you need to speak to people and supporting them and although in the quote I gave the guy said he could not see someone who had used chemical weapons against his people, I did notice that that was somewhat nebulous, he could have been avoiding answering. I think more than ever Syria needs a chance to stop fighting and recreate a society and tbh it is better to do that through Assad than just leave it as a killing field for ever. I did think about this one night and I find it difficult to see how else it can be done but whether there is or not something will only happen if people are able to start talking to them. In this it would need to be someone who they trust and that could be Germany. Then I guess they would try and get them to put in a proper democratic system but the bottom line is these people have to stop dying, have to start getting fed and educated again. This though I see as very different to saying they are supporting Assad. The alternative power at the moment, the one who the West is supporting is radical islamists so he probably is the better deal to start with - and see how far you can manage to get rights etc going. You any better suggestions?

    Mind you it is different Germany and the AfD.
     
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    the thing i was trying to get at is that, as "woke" as you try to come off, you lack the moral integrity to condemn imperialism as it stares you down
     
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    LOL....are you trying to use 'thinking' in an effort to battle me?
     
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    Why do you think Germany's actions would have effect on Trump or US policy? I certainly don't.
     

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