Are humans....

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  1. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    .....animals?

    Simple question.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes.
     
  3. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So if birds of a feather flock together, we should stick to our own like?
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not all animals are birds and not all birds flock.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So Lions hang out with Wilderbeast?
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Straw man argument. What point are you seeking to make?
     
  7. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No Straw Man about it.

    The point is, are humans animals, or do we just Cherry pick the parts that we wish?

    So for example, homosexuals say that it happens in the animal world so it's acceptable. On the other hand, birds of a feather flock together but racism is classed as bad.

    So the burning question is, are humans like animals?
     
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    Dude, is homosexuality what this is all about? Not all animals act like other animals. Are you just cherry-picking which animals you want to match humans to be like?
     
  9. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I'm not gay, racist or a hypocrite, I'm simply observent. When people claim a position, for example homosexuality, they choose the animal kingdom. Then when racism kicks off, no mention of animals.

    So all I want to know is, are humans just animals?

    Simple question.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, then they have a lot to learn, don't they?

    Ahh, so you are moving goalposts. Good. That indicates that not only do you realize you are wrong, but that you have adjusted your position to accommodate new facts. No, humans are not "just" animals. You've learned enough from me to know that asking a "simple question" like "Are humans animals" isn't so simple.

    Now you've had to adjust and make it a more complex question by asking "are humans just animals?".
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So when we branched off the Chimpanzees, we stopped being an animal?

    So why do gays say it's natural because it happens in the animal world?

    But you should embrace everyone otherwise you're racist.

    Can you see the conundrum?
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Others need to input their thoughts to avoid going round in circles.
     
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    Of course, what else would be we, self proclaimed?
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then we're gay and racist by nature.
     
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    Humans are pack animals by nature always have been for thousands of years, lots of different human packs have and still exist. Humans like to hang out with similar looking, acting humans, promote the well being of members of their pack that are similar looking and acting thereby promoting increasing the strength of their pack .

    Now the latest teachings state this is wrong and all humans belong to a pack that encompasses all humans on the planet and all humans need to promote the well being of all humans.

    It hasn't gone as well as some have planned
     
  16. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you are correct. Certain groups need to realise that we're just animals. Certain laws go against human nature and thus we get prosecuted for being human/animal.

    But one group states we're like animals, another says we're not. So which is it? So is it the gays or racists that lose out? That's the conundrum.

    Or do we Cherry pick both?
     
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    imma a unicellular organism.
     
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    No.

    Define "natural".

    Umm, no. That's incorrect.

    Not for me, but obviously you have a problem. Please explain.
     
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    Your dog needs go on a diet.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't have a problem. I watch arguments about homosexuality and racism. The argument for homosexuality mentions that it goes on in the animal world so it's natural. Then we have those that say if we don't embrace every other race, we're racist. But with animals, birds of a feather flock together.

    So my simple question is, are humans animals or not? If we are, homosexuality and racism is ok. But if we're not animals, homosexuality and racism is not ok.

    So which is it?
     
  21. Max Rockatansky

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    You seem to be cherry-picking points made by others and disregarding other information. You already moved the goalposts on this thread.

    I answered your simple question then you moved the goalposts by asking "are humans just animals". It changes the question completely since I answered yes to the first question and no to the second. I fail to follow your logic about homosexuality and racism. Are you a white supremacist, Nonnie? Do you think there are superior "races" and inferior ones? Do you think homosexuality is genetic or choice? Did you choose to be heterosexual or did it come "natural" to you?
     
  22. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not getting dragged into what a homosexual is or do others feel more superior than others. Not interested in that and it's not the issue here.

    The point being is, I've seen homosexuals make a case that homosexuality goes on in the animal world and thus natural as we're too animals. But those against racism (well, whatever definition they've made it into) I've seen them claim we're not animals.

    To sum up, humans claim we are animals and we're not animals. So the question is, are we just animals?
     
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    So...the point of this post is that we shouldn't have pets?
     
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    OK, you’ve since expanded on your “simple question” so let’s address everything;

    Humans are animals. There is a massive diversity in types of animal though so there’s no reason to expect humans are or should be like other species or animal in any given way. We’ve a lot in common with chimpanzees, a fair bit in common with wolves but very little in common with starfish.

    The phrase “Birds of a feather flock together” is only actually correct for some birds anyway but the meaning isn’t that they should stay together, only that they do. Applied to people, it’s saying that people who spend time together tend to have similar characteristics (often negatively, for example if you hang out with drug dealers, you’re probably a drug dealer too). Like most of these things, it’s somewhat flawed and limited anyway which is why it’s never become anything more than a casual phrase.

    That has zero relation to racism. Anyway, lots of animals do spend time with other animals, even with different species (which goes further than “race” which is really only equivalent to different breeds). Other animals obviously live in conflict, again even within species. Again though, just because other animals do things doesn’t mean it’s right (or wrong) for humans to do.

    The point of homosexual behaviour being observed among some other animals is only meant to be a direct challenge to the claim than homosexuality is an entirely man-made behavioural choice. It’s in opposition to the line that homosexuality isn’t natural and therefore is wrong. It isn’t saying homosexuality is automatically right either, only that specific argument against it is factually and logically flawed.

    I hope that has clarified everything for you.
     
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    Nope!

    There is a difference between learned behavior and instinctual behavior.

    Racism and bigotry are learned behaviors in humans. Birds flocking together is instinctual.

    Being gay is not a learned behavior in spite of the religious bigots who claim otherwise. Being bigoted against gays is a learned behavior so there is a certain amount of ironic projection.

    As to why people are gay is still TBD but the easiest way to deflate the claim that it is a "choice" is to ask those who make that bogus claim what made them "choose" to be straight rather than gay?
     

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