Trump Throws Ronny Jackson Under the Bus

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  1. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, A LIE. Nothing in what the President ACTUALL SAID is even slightly derogatory towards Jackson , much less , "Throwing Jackson under the bus." Except in leftgoofyspeak, madeup nonsense.


    He said no such thing. Why keep lying?

    The President said THIS:

    Pres.Trump repeatedly said the choice to withdraw was Navy Rear Adm. Ronny Jackson’s, but he also questioned why he would want to go forward and take the "abuse" from politicians. “It’s totally his decision, he’ll be making a decision,” Trump said when asked about the nomination of Jackson, who is the White House physician to the president. The president said he told Jackson “this is a vicious group of people that malign. What do you need this for? … You’re too fine a person.” adding. "If I were him, I wouldn't do it,” Trump said.



    FOR THE FOURTH TIME, please explain how that = "throwing Jackson under the bus".
     
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    You do the man no favors by attempting to smear him. Your conclusions for his qualification are reasonable and focus on his skill set, why not lead with that?
     
  3. MrTLegal

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    He betrayed a friend/ally by refusing to defend him against the allegations (claiming he did not know about the allegations while simultaneously relaying the story of how he told Johnson on the phone that he should not undergo the review process given how mean it is), saying that Jackson had a qualifications problem, and that he did not think Jackson should continue the review process. And he made all of those statements in an effort to continue an attack on the Senate's Advise and Consent review process and specifically to attack Democrats.

    Ergo, "Tossing under the bus."
     
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    I don't know that he was honest for Obama. It was just fairly obvious that Jackson wasn't honest about Trump's stats. I get the political optics. I'm sure Trump didn't want his physician saying he was obese. When you're the President's physician, you're responsible for one person's health care. With this nomination, this guy would be responsible for 6 million, so getting more insight into the guy is the responsible thing to do. To me, it looks like there is a process problem in the White House, and whoever is doing the vetting probably needs to be replaced, since this isn't the first slip on vetting.

    I don't see this as a partisan issue. Either the guy did the things he's accused of doing or not. I read there was an IG report on him in 2012 that recommended his removal. If that was good enough to remove McCabe right before his retirement, it should have been good enough to prevent this nomination from moving forward, but someone didn't vet the guy.
     
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    I didn't think you would get it. :)
    Because Trump didn't properly vet him he will now go back to his old department where his own people blew the whistle on him. Clearly they have no confidence in him and now he knows he can't trust his employees. That's what I call under the bus. You may call it something else, but the guys old job is now over as well as his VA job.
     
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    Whoomp, there it is.... As I posted earlier, I don't necessarily agree that Trump threw Jackson PERSONALLY under the bus, since he said a lot of nice things about the man... but he has thrown Jacksons chances at this job in that general direction (bus -----> under)

    "there's an experience problem, because of lack of experience" - Gotta put that one on Mount Trumpmore someday...
     
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    Tossing under the bus does not require that Trump say something derogatory about the man - just a refusal to defend or distancing himself from the person.
     
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    This thread is just a reinforcement of what Trump actually said. Oh irony.
     
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    That's kinda the point of the thread. Trump tossing his nominee to run the VA under the bus.
     
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    Yet Obama kept him on.. Are you suggesting lack of candor and the accusations against Ronny equal the same?
     
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    Not at all no matter how many times you post it.
     
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    Ask the Republicans on the Veteran Affairs committee who delayed his hearing.
     
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    Well you can keep posting it, but for those of us who can read and understand the comments he made, your take misses the mark by a wide margin.
     
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    Some of the same people who have been overseeing the disaster known as the VA for years? Why would political party make a difference its about the Vets not politics.
     
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    BS.

    The Fool in the Oval Office nominated a guy he knew nothing about just because he said nice things about him in front of a television camera.

    His lack of experience and general unfitness for the position was plain to see well before any allegations surfaced. The best thing anyone could say about his was that he would have been in way over his head, leading a massive agency with NO executive experience.

    Then all the petty nonsense that often comes with cabinet nomination begins to surface.

    Trump, having made a stupid and thoughtless decision (as he so often does), leaves the guy hanging in public, and tries to disown responsibility for his acts (another Trump trait).

    So now, this poor guy is going to be put through media hell, and will never be VA Secretary ,and has his reputation ruined. all because the moron in the White House was too lazy, too arrogant and too stupid to do his job right.

    Professionals and responsible people don't toy with other people's lives and careers the way Trump does.

    No wonder no one wants to work in the Trump White House!
     
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    You ask that while simultaneously defending Jackson solely on the basis that Trump nominated him.
     
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    Nope. I'm saying what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If an IG report recommending termination was good enough for McCabe, an IG report recommending termination was good enough for Jackson. Obama probably should have fired him. Had Obama fired him, Trump certainly wouldn't have tried to promote him, but either way, Trump should have vetted anyone he nominates. It prevents embarrassing situations for both the nominee and the administration.
     
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    There isn't going to be a confirmation process.

    The rest of the world is waiting patiently for the Trumpsters to finish making more excuses for their hero's incompetence and catch up.
     
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    I know exactly what the Fool in teh Oval said.

    He was publicly distancing himself from his own nominee.

    Everyone got that. Except the folks who are trying to pretend that they didn't.

    There will be no nomination process.
     
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    I go by his record and dont believe accusations until they are proven.. He was qualified enough to care for three Presidents and their families.
     
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    An objective reading of this thread would note that all of the individuals who reject the opinion of the OP are massive Trumpettes. The more neutral posters to this thread seem to agree with the general tone and conclusion of the OP.
     
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    And what about that fact makes you think he is qualified to run the VA?
     
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    If by neutral you mean "raging liberal of 'The Resistance'", sure.
     
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    Should a poorly-vetted presidential nominee to such an important position be rubber-stamped by the Senate, or should the Senate allow him the opportunity to publicly address allegations by those who have worked for and with him concerning his drinking on the job, irresponsible dispensation of prescription drugs, and creating a hostile work environment?

    Unless he prefers to withdraw, it's reasonable to expect him to explain why he thinks he's qualified.
     
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    How is he not? I hear "never fun anything close to the size of the VA".. Question is how many people have?
     

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