What if Trumpism isn't an Abberation but the New Norm?

The leaders of most western countries are anxiously awaiting the end of the Trump presidency and a return to normalcy. But, what if this is the new normalcy? Trump may not be an outlier who got elected with only 46.1 percent of the popular vote and will be thrown out of office in the next presidential election. Perhaps with our fractured electorate, it may become more common for candidates with minority support to be elected president due to increased partisan politics coupled with our electoral college system that has repeated given the presidency to men who did not receive a majority of the popular vote.

From the end of the Second World War to the beginning of the Trump presidency, the United States was the country that held together the fragile fabric of international cooperation. Now, we have a president who delights in angering our traditional allies and ripping up our ties to them. NAFTA is on life support and may not survive Trump's attacks on it. NATO has also come under repeated Trump attacks as have several European counties including the UK, France, Germany and the entire European Union.

It may be time for other advanced countries to get together and negotiate a new world order without the United States. Perhaps, the United States can no longer be counted on to live up to its responsibility or to keep its promises.

If Trump is a one-term president and the next president is a more traditional Republican or Democrat, the United States' place in the world may yet be rescued. However, if Donald Trump is the sign of things to come, the United States will become isolated, and the rest of the world will be forced to act as if we don't exist. As European Council President Donald Tusk recently asked when referring to the United States, "With friends like that, who needs enemies?"

 

You could be right and the Democratic Party and globalists will be able to turn all the world into child labor sweatshops for the benefit of the super rich unless things can be turned back to "normalcy."

 

That would mean that there really is a God.

The past four administrations especially the last one have totally disrupted the world that many parts of the world are complete basket cases and also ignored most Americans, the working middle class, "fly over America" and by 2012 America hasn't been so divided since 1860.

America today even has its own Taliban toppling monuments and erasing America's history, traditions, customs and even our former common language.

 

I do agree with the last part of your second sentence beginning with "ignored most Americans."

Among Western countries, the USA is now the toughest place to climb the social ladder, and if you're not it the top 10 percent of the income class, you're likely to find it difficult to get a better job, get an advanced education, or even get decent health care. Although both major parties share the blame, I see that situation getting even worse under the Trump administration.

 

If you take Gary Johnson out of the equation, Donald Trump would have won the popular vote by a landslide.

Most of those "Never Trump" voters who voted for Gary Johnson are now flipping and going with "Making America Great Again."

 

If Trump is the new norm for america, I can see many, many countries not only paying for your wall but building it!

 

Is Canada building a wall on its southern border? Who's paying for it?

 

Donald Trump has only been President for going on for 17 months now, to early to make that call.

Because of political correctness, diversity, and globalization, Europe is really worse off today than 25 years ago.

 

Trumpism can’t become the new norm because a new norm takes a while to become a norm, and this country can’t survive being led by a reality denying fascist man child for that long.

 

Oopsie there goes that BS about Minority Support.

 

That's the opinion of Reince Priebus. That Trump is one, out sized personality and once his term is done, the GOP will return to "normal." I assume what he means as normal is the party of Bushes. But parties change all the time. The Dems were old time religion liberal throughout the 80's, and switched to a new banker friendly version under Clinton and then Obama. Now they're threatening to go full Bernie.

So no, the Republicans are not going back to Bush Republicanism, no matter what happens to Trump. Most of the new GOP Congressional candidates are running on Trump-style immigration. Heard of any of them running on "comprehensive immigration reform?" Me either.

 

Well, I don't support illegal immigrants like today's democrat party does, if that's Trumpism then I'm all for it.

 

Lying profusely about practically everything and scapegoating other people for all the problems is hardly new.

 

Funny, but Trump is turning the US back to the 60s normalcy when Democrats were in charge when they were not socialist and communist.

 

There is a fundamental battle going on now in both the USA and Europe. It is a battle between the super rich globalists, deep state insiders and their MSM propaganda outlets they own versus working class people. The Democratic Party is on the side of the super rich globalists and Trump and much of the Republican Party (begrudgingly) is on the side of the working class. The battle is going on in both the USA and the West, where conservatives are now fighting back. It literally is a battle for control.

 

And this is the new world order that trump voters want no part of. So, in the best interests of the non elites, trump might represent the turning point in regards to this new world order which is destroying our middle class and has created the worst disparity in income since the gilded age. This is the new world order.

So if the rest of the world wants to remain in this kind of new world order, let them. Plenty of average americans have become sick of it and want no part of it. Another reason trump won over the new world order hillary.

 

In the rest of the industrialized world, the middle and working classes are doing fairly well. They are certainly doing much better than in the United States. The USA stands out for having the largest gap between the very wealthy (people like Trump) and the rest of us, and that gap is growing under Trump.

I can't see how putting someone from the exploiting class in charge will make things better for the exploited. We would be much better off copying European egalitarianism rather than moving down the current path toward Venezuelan- and Russian-style elitism.

 

We've entered an era where the more moderate factions of both parties have been tossed out by them. This leaves us more partisan, more polarized, with hard core left and right ideologues in charge of both major parties. Now the major parties have been shrinking for a long time. Independents, middle America, the center, center left and right has grown at the expense of the two major parties making electing someone like Trump or Clinton for that matter, more possible. Someone that a majority of Americans don't like and don't want as president.

Look back through the the different eras, Gallup and Pew Research started keeping track of party affiliation back during FDR. We had one era from FDR to Reagan where around 75-80% of all Americans identified themselves with our two major parties. Then the era of Reagan to Obama, major party affiliation dropped to 65-70% and finely, the Obama and Trump era where around only 55% of all Americans now identify with the two major parties. According to Gallup, as of 11 Apr 2018, 29% of Americans now identify with the Democrats, 24% with Republicans and a whopping 45% as independents, no party affiliation and certainly not as partisan or polarized.

http://www.people-press.org/interactives/party-id-trend/

So the far left and far right ideologues now control both parties. No room for compromise or cooperation between parties. Independents are left to pick and choose which ideologue will be elected. Nationally that is. But independents have no say on whom the two parties nominates. Hence election like 2016, between two candidates most Americans didn't want. Is this becoming the norm. Probably so.

25% of all America didn't like either or both major party candidates or wanted neither to become president which included 54% of independents.

http://news.gallup.com/opinion/poll...mericans-dislike-presidential-candidates.aspx

Is this reversible? Yes, if one or the other or both parties start paying attention to middle America and nominate candidates acceptable to them. But having gained control, the ideologues, the hard core ultra left and right of both parties aren't about to give up control now. They aren't about to allow those in the center, center left or center right back in to their decision makings and choices of candidates. We'll get more Trumps and Clintons in the future because of that.

This has little or nothing to do with the popular vote or electoral college. It's about who controls the choices of candidates for both parties. It's about middle America not having a political party to call home anymore. It's about desertion of middle America from each major party which makes the hard core ideologues extremely happy. I wouldn't be surprised if in ten years independents go over the 50% mark as their part of the total electorate. But the two major parties will still hold all the power of choice of candidates as when the two parties made up 80% of the electorate even though they will soon be below 50%.

 

WHo are you trying to kid? Republicans are relaxing child labor rules, so that kids can risk life working in dangerous conditions.

And you elected a SUPPOSEDLY super rich.

 

I think what we need is a new, centrist third party. That worked in France where Manuel Macron founded En Marche! and not only managed to get himself elected president, his party also won the majority in parliament. If a dynamic personality could push aside the old, elitist, fossilized left and right parties in France and put sensible centrists in charge, perhaps it is possible here.

 

I've often said it wasn't Trump, per se. Trump is merely the guy who recognized and took advantage of the anti-establishment sentiments that have been slowly building since alternative media began wresting control of national sociopolitical narratives from ABC, CBS, NBC, and other propaganda peddlers posing as 'objective, legitimate' journalism.

which, incidentally, is also why we see Social Media giants inserting themselves into the political conversation, ie, censoring political speech they've deemed detrimental to the left's agendas, and why "net neutrality" is so deceitfully framed as a 'good thing' by, you guessed it, the left, when it is nothing more than a way for professional leftists to bring the internet under government regulatory control (should they ever regain power...which they fully intend to, by hook or crook.)

 

If you take the enslaved welfare class voters in California out of the equation........

 

What if Trumpism isn't an Abberation but the New Norm?

Then the United States Constitution and Republic have failed and this country will become the Banana Republic extremists have complained of...and we will deserve it.

 

hehehe. after ObamaCo....quite possibly the most corrupt administration ever.

 

Case in point....this attitude of ignoring fact in favor of partisan talking point is definitely indicative of impending failure.