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What To Do To Reduce Partisan Dysfunction In Politics

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Meta777, Mar 30, 2018.

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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    What sorts of changes would you suggest?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Apr 26, 2018
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    I actually am attempting to do something specific to decrease tensions between Canada's Conservatives, NDP, Liberals and Greens.........

    I am attempting to get certain representatives from all parties to see that the numbers involved are
    colossal...... and the problems are unsolvable unless each party takes a step or two..... (on at least one or two or three major points)... toward their historical opponents.

    M. P. Bill Casey... President Trump has a 4.3 trillion dollar problem....

    and I am attempting to show how our situation up here in Canada could actually be relevant to many Americans.

    Could P. M. Justin Trudeau manage to destroy the USA Democratic Party for 2018?

    .. .and just to make it all interesting.... I am doing it in such a way that
    should get me enemies in all major Canadian and American political parties!

    Pretty cool huh?

    Hey... I like the idea of Ranked Voting System...........! Do you mean for political parties...... or mostly for specific dilemma's facing politicians?

    I guess I had better go back and read the full post?!

    Wow! I was so impressed I attempted to put this in front of Truro, M. L. A. Ms. Lenore Zann:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...vative-cooperation-on.526448/#post-1069018655

    M.L.A. Lenore Zann... proposal for NDP and Conservative cooperation on....
     
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    Meta777, May 4, 2018
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    Belch, Jun 3, 2018
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    What do you mean?

    If you're trying to suggest that there should be additional options on that list,
    I'm willing to add them in, at least for a little while longer, since the list is fairly short comparatively to others and the vote has only just now been opened....Or was there something else about it you took issue with?

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    Meta777, Jun 3, 2018
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    I'm trying to suggest that you are on a fool's errand, and that nothing you could possibly put on your list is going to result in what you desire.

    The end result is not going to be some version of democracy. It's going to be total warfare, and the winner gets to inhabit an irradiated battle field. I wish it wasn't that, but this idea that maybe we can massage the concept of democracy to the point where it will be acceptable to the masses flew out the window as soon as Trump was elected.

    I appreciate your belief that something can be done, but again, I ask if this is it? Is this the grand plan to end the vile hatred we feel for each other?

    It's not even close enough, dude.

    When you have one side calling the President's daughter a feckless **** on a show where that line was scripted, okayed, and aired... this rift is not going to be repaired by a simple change in how we vote.

    See how even the legacy media has less of a safeguard for our own sensibilities than is found here?

    It's only going to get worse, and I'm not sure that this is entirely unwarranted.
     
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    Heh, well you're not going to convince me to stop trying if that's what you're thinking.
    Besides, who's to say I'm not just doing this for fun?

    So your suggested idea is warfare then??
    I'm not sure how well that fits on the automation list, but I can certainly add it to this thread's list.

    ...Heck,...I might as well add it to the automation list too. Vote for it if you really want to,
    though there's no way you're going to get me to put it high up on my ranking...

    -Meta
     
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    It's not my suggested idea. However, when one side says that the accepted outcome is freedom, and that is rejected, I don't see how there can be some meeting in the middle. I would prefer that we follow the constitution as it was written, but you know our "living document" lefties who don't see it like that.

    That said, I applaud your desire to ward off what I consider to be inevitable. I just wish I was able to be as positive as you are.
     
    Belch, Jun 3, 2018
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    Well thanks for the support I guess....
    Anyway, there is certainly much room for compromise...
    in between one side getting 100% of what they want on the one hand
    and both sides having to resort to killing each-other on the other.
    Perhaps finding the perfect point in between those extremes wont be easy,
    but given the span of possibilities within that space, it should in no way be thought to be impossible.

    -Meta
     
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    The most reasonable position would be for the government to not hurt people, not control people, and not take their stuff.
     
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    Does that mean that if the government tasers a murder suspect who is resisting apprehension, or
    tells a chemical plant owner that he can't continue to keep dumping his plant's hazardous wastes into lakes, or
    confiscates the vehicle of someone who repeatedly gets caught drinking and driving...that you're going to up and declare war just for that?? o_O

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    My bad for not specifying innocent people.

    The most reasonable position would be for the government to not hurt innocent people, not control innocent people, and not take innocent people's stuff.
     
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    If it was only that simple, the solution would be to go our separate ways. When I was a kid, we had one TV, and there was usually a fight over cartoon to watch on Saturday morning. That didn't happen with my kids because we have more than one TV.

    I think that conservative kids would love to stay in their own rooms where they can binge watch scooby doo, while the progressive kids can binge watch teletubbies in their rooms. If that still isn't enough, I think even you would have to admit that conflict resolution is impossible.

    My parents dealt with it by turning the TV off and telling us kids to go outside and play. I'm guessing they were on to something.
     
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    Well....its not as if we can just go out and buy another country or something in our case...right?....
    Or at least not one big enough to satisfy the side that has to move...

    No...realistically speaking, we have the country we have...and we as citizens have to figure out how to share it with each-other.

    Without 2 T.V.s conflict resolution is impossible you say? That's silly.
    There are plenty of ways to compromise in that situation. And you actually posted one!

    a) Like your parents, one option is to turn the T.V. off and have the kids play outside. This is a neither kid gets 100% of what they want option, presumably though they do both like playing outside right, even if it not quite as much as watching their favorite television show.

    b) Another option, is that the kids simply take turns. One kid gets to choose the show on certain days or weeks or at certain times, and the other kid get to choose the other days/weeks/times. If the shows in question are highly episodic or the schedules happen to work out well, then this should be easy! (and imo shouldn't really have to be explained), But there is at least one other option...

    c) If the kids have a disagreement over whether they should watch Teletubbies or Scooby-doo, then find a show that they both enjoy,...perhaps something right in the middle of the other two...(A Pup Named Scooby-doo for the uninitiated).
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    And there are probably plenty of other possibilities in addition to those. Bottom line is, compromise is possible if you try.

    -Meta
     
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