I was a liberal, but then I grew up....

I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that Democrats are dismissive of saving for retirement? In fact, I have already quite a stache saved myself. However, I am not delusional to think that retirement is an endless series of Sundays. I watched my parents, who had also saved quite nicely for retirement -- and then life got in the way. One ended up with dementia, the other one with several strokes. Believe me, the financial side is only one side of the picture. I am sure they also had lofty ideas of not being a burden to their kids when they were younger. Didn't work out that way, and almost never does these days with geriatric medicine.

My dad actually was a staunch conservative through out his life, until his first stroke. He became quite a bit softer after that, when he realized that self reliance is just a phase in life. I wonder how many conservatives go through this kind of progression, when life happens that they didn't anticipate, getting in the way of their condescending attitudes to everyone who is not a "producer".

 

I am economically a liberal and I see no reason to support conservatism based on the last 5 decades of their policy. They are great for the wealthy and corporations for sure.

 

Wow, you are awesome. I bet there is nobody else who works hard, that's why you have things and others don't. Give me a break.

 

In the last 50 years, as someone who would love abortion to go away, what have Republicans actually done to get rid of it at the federal level? If they spent one percent of the effort they do on tax cuts on getting rid of abortion, there might well be a lot less abortion. In fact they have done virtually nothing.

 

You are just a pile of microscopic cells, just a little bigger. So YOU are expendable. Throughout history, there are people who are expendable as sub human and just a pile of cells.

 

It's an easy conclusion to come to since they are constantly talking about trying to save social security, and the endless whining about helping the poor through various social welfare services that don't work.

Your father had some bad luck, and yes, you're right that self-reliance is a phase of life, and then you need help. That's when that nest egg you were saving comes into the picture. If you don't save enough during the productive years of your life, well of course you're going to want some kind of help. When that happens, you dig into that other nest egg of being a good parent, so your kids will want to be there for you, just as you were for them.

How that translates into uncle Sam digging into my pocket is beyond me. Hell, I don't even know the guy.

 

NONONONONO, I am just lucky , you know LUCKY! Hard work and dedication are not how you get wealthy??? hahahaha. When the kids were small, I made a deal with the Kroger store to remove their outdated bread off of the shelves, and they sold it to me cheap. That is luck, right? These posters don't have crap because they do not believe in themselves, so why would ANYONE believe in them. I ended up a millionaire (not that rare any more, just put cash into my 401 K for 40 years), but it was LUCK. I was born rich, I had 30 cents for a single slaw on butter so we could eat craft dinner means.

I have always lived under my income, never wasted money, worked a lot of OT. My 31 acre farm is all paid for, with a newer barn and a 4 year old home. I seldom go out to eat. And I still work part time @ $75 an hour doing civil engineering. This is something that person who would STEAL my money via taxes to give to others things. I should SHARE my "good fortune", and I didn't earn it, it was all free.!!!!!! hahahaha
You get out of life what you put into it.

 

I accept the fact that there are end of life costs, both physically and mentally. I have buried two wives to cancer. I see what happens. But we NEVER leached off of others, we paid our own way to the end. I will eventually have issues, that is what life is all about. However, I will not have to STEAL from others to survive my last years. I guess I have something that many others and liberals don't have, PRIDE!

 

All I am saying is that you will never know what you will do when you get into the situation to need help. And likelihood is that you will, with today's life extending medicine. And don't tell me you won't use medicine if it is available to you and it costs more than your life savings -- you will.

My dad was in a coma for 6 months after his first stroke. He would have gone through his life savings in those short 6 months, if it hadn't been for the "socialized" German health care system. I am happy to pay a little more during my productive years, so I have the same protections when I get old. I can see that you two never seem to think about that things like that can happen to you, it only happens to the "others" who are not that smart with their money, according to you. Well, think again.

 

If I get into the same situation, I'll be happy to take some of what I paid into the system, but I know I'm not going to get it all back. It's a messed up situation that I'd rather not have to pay into. I don't trust the government and neither should anybody.

 

I agree with your assessment. I do, however, think that part of it was the difference between the leftist-allied MSM OPENLY worshiping Barack Obama while blatantly spinning and covering for him right in front of the nation and what the average citizen actually HEARD Obama say (all that race-agitating and loathing of the United States).

People were pretty much told that if they did not like, respect, or trust Barack Obama then they WERE racists. They were told that they had to vote Barack Obama back into office in 2012 or be racist. So they did what they were told that they were supposed to do where Barack was concerned but took it out on the rest of the liberal politicians from 2010 on. Of course I can't prove any of this, but it seems likely to me.

 

Yeah, that was the "media has the lowest level of TRUST" part.

Steve

 

Somehow it seems to make a difference. But you not only work hard, but work smart. That IS why I have things and other people don't.

 

Why can't you just thank god and be humble, being grateful that your hard work paid off and that you live in a country with opportunity? Instead you feel the need to demean others and accuse them of stealing your stuff. I don't get it.

You know, there are other people too, who have worked hard and who are successful. And there will always be people who will be more successful than you, even if they work less hard and smart. Maybe they'll look down on you too and think they are better.

And then there are also a lot of people who work hard but still are in poverty or just barely above it. The GOP, however, never had a lot of use for those, actually today's Democratic party doesn't have much use for them either, thanks to money ruling politics.

 

They do look down on me, they tax me to death, to pay for those who will not produce or take care of themselves. I have no problem voluntarily helping people who need the help through no fault of their own, but that is my choice. Pay for some drug addict, alcoholic, have a kid or four, and expect society to take care of the slut and her children? You should do your best to be self sufficient and not lead yourself down a self destructive path.

 

Just how is it possible for somebody to go to government schools for 12 years, study hard to get a high school diploma, and then work hard but still be in poverty?

I think you might want to investigate the possibility that maybe 12 years of attending classes, doing homework and getting good grades and lord only knows how many thousands of tax payer dollars spent on that education only to join the ranks of the poor might have been a monumental waste of everybody's time.

If they didn't study all that hard or were, perhaps feeling unmotivated, then do they deserve to be poor?

I don't know the answer to the last question, but it's rather hard to talk about people being in poverty after so much money has been spent on their education because "the children". Now we've got to worry about their golden years, as well?

It really is about not having much use for them, but whose fault is that? Certainly not mine!

 

Condescending attitude on display for all to see, as I had described. As if you know the exact situation of why people are in the situations they are in. It worked out for you, so be happy and enjoy your success. One thing is for sure, you wouldn't be better off if you didn't have to pay for the "slut" and her children, but now four children would be on the street begging, guaranteeing 100% that they'll never become productive members of society.

And heaven forbid that society will ever have to pay for you in the future. It could happen, you know, even though you are presently unable to picture it.

 

I don't know. Why is it that children in college of families who never went to college have worse outcomes (which is true, I've seen it in my class first hand)? Is it because they are lazy? From what I've seen, usually not. Maybe it has to do with their parents not valuing education, not having books at home, not promoting learning and curiosity, the family "memory" of what you have to do to be successful in college. It is a million little factors that result in this outcome. Yet, in your world, it is their own fault, because you'll label them either lazy, or making bad decision. Yes, sometimes it is making bad decisions, and who hasn't made any? Often, making one bad decision has a lot more consequence when you are from a background of poverty and forces future bad decisions. It is amazing how money can buffer the affect of those bad decisions.

 

Well I had a high draft number and would not have passed the physical anyway. But at home during all the peace and love and we're brothers and sisters I couldn't help but notice while I was the one working all those brothers and sisters who didn't wanted to come crash at my house and eat my food.

 

What you mean is that conversations often went like this:
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Liberal: Nice weather today, eh?

Conservative: YOU CALLED ME A RACIST!

Liberal: Huh?

Conservative: YOU DID IT AGAIN! YOU LIBERALS ARE SO HATEFUL!

Liberal: You're a loony.

Conservative: NOW YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN ON US! YOU LIBERALS ARE SO ARROGANT!

Liberals: Bye

Conservative: GO ON, RUN AWAY FROM CALLING ME A RACIST! YOU LIBERALS ALWAYS USE THE RACE CARD!
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I don't think it's necessarily their fault, but I also don't think they are my responsibility.

 

In the end conservatives and liberals have different understanding of data and different values. Neither has much to do with growing up.

 

The worst part, is every liberal calls anyone else racist. Let me go find you a current event from the papers a few days ago. Be right back.

 

Yes, liberals leach, conservative create value. Pretty cut and dried.

 

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