"... it got out of hand"

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some crimes are too bizarre to make up; for example:

    "Man decapitated mom with butter knife and his teeth: deputy"
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/2...m-with-butter-knife-and-his-teeth-deputy.html
    A Mississippi man decapitated his mother with a butter knife, his teeth and bare hands, a sheriff’s deputy said in court on Wednesday.

    EXCERPTS "Terrelle Johnson, 29, of Wiggins, Miss., confessed to killing his mother Sherry Johnson, 51, a high school guidance counselor, earlier this month, the Sun Herald reported.
    After he choked her, Terelle Johnson decapitated her using a butter knife along with his hands and teeth, Boggs said. He then moved the body outside so the home would not smell.
    Jim Davis, Terrelle Johnson’s lawyer, said they were considering an insanity defense."CONTINUED


    If you were on the jury deciding Mr. Johnson's sentence, would you support the imposition of the death penalty or do you feel that Mr. Johnson is more deserving of a life sentence on a secure psychiatric facility?
     
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    Thankfully I don't have to absorb all the information on the case it would take to make an informed decision.
     
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    reeks of Flakka, bath salts or PCP.

    but using drugs is a victimless crime!
     
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    no rehabilitation is going to fix that broke mind:spin: so its best for the future staff and doctors to have this nut executed now before he hurts others , logical fix
     
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    then leave it to the emotional control expert firring squad shot like me:) then ill give him a chance he can start running at 400 yards in the desert and see if he can make it out of range, of my 308 saiga
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that new muzzle break i put on like this one ,makes the recoil lite like this video time 0:55
    makes the 308, tame and quicker to sight in back on target
     
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    I think most murders can be laid down to some sort of insanity, I mean, who has the coldness to murder someone in drive bys, drug deals gone bad, etc. So yes, the insanity defense is plausible in most murders - so we find the guy/gal guilty then we execute them.

    Edit: I would make an exception in emotional revenge killings. An example of that is someone kills, rapes or otherwise harms an innocent loved one. In those cases I don't consider that murder, I consider that justice.
     
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  8. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While my gut reaction is similar to your assessment, I worked on an Emergency Psychiatric Unit for about 10 years where it was determined by a magistrate where mentally ill people who had committed crimes, were a danger to themselves or others would be assigned: Prison, a secure & permanent Psychiatric facility or the custody of family.
    Ours was not the final decision but we had to agree on a legal & ethical recommendation after about a week's worth of evaluation.
    While each case was different, you would be surprised how "normal", friendly and rational people who had committed similar heinous crimes could be.
    Upon admission to the Unit, they might be delusional & violent but once they were stabilized on their medication, they could be cheerful & almost charming. Yes, it was bizarre.

    No, I too can't envision Mr. Johnson ever contributing anything good to society at large but because he is clearly psychotic, I don't know that executing him is either legal or ethical.
     
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    their lyes this mess our lawyers and pc judges have put us in that past 50 years , i used to be a corrections officer in Florida for a year and a half and it was unsafe in the environment for us, i cant see how you can make it fool proof protecting for the staff at a shirt hospital stabilized by some drugs that might not work
     
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    The problem is they would probably stop medication if they are released, then they might be prone to violence again.
     
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    Guns need not apply.
     
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    We shoot rabid dogs.
     
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    Firing squad.
     
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    I tend to agree on the insanity aspect, but the standard is if they knew what they did was wrong.
     
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    Maybe he was just hungry.
     
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    That is very frequently what happens especially when the medication has unpleasant side effects. That's when violently mentally ill people become a threat to themselves & others again & a good reason for at least a life sentence in a very secure Psychiatric facility.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The killer's mother could certainly have used one because sometimes it takes more than a good guy with teeth & a butter knife to stop a bad guy with teeth & a butter knife.
     
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    Death penalty.

    That savage of a beast cannot be allowed to ever have the chance of roaming free.

    The insanity defense is bullshit.
     
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    We must get back to the main concern being what happened and deal with that. The why it happened is of very little importance other than being a curiosity.
     
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    You're right, it was not a safe working environment nor do I think that you can make it a safe working environment especially as our job was to accept, stabilize, treat & evaluate all types of mentally ill people for appropriate placement in another location.

    Our patients ranged from confused & depressed little, old ladies to large raging psychotic killers. It was just as important to protect the smaller, weaker patients from the larger, violent patients as it was to protect ourselves.

    The drugs used to temporarily sedate violent patients usually worked but establishing a maintenance medication was & I suspect remains more difficult.
     
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    I'm inclined to agree as far as the death penalty however the killer is clearly mentally ill.

    Do we execute all mentally ill killers or just the ones who commit especially heinous murders like this?
     
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    My opinion is that the death penalty should be on the table for any murder conviction but its use should be assessed on a case by case basis.

    Certainly this guy would qualify.
     
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    Based only on what I know from the article, I agree.
    The guy shows no remorse, the police had been to their home on multiple occasions, he dragged his mother's body outside because "... it smelled bad", lied about his mother's location to relatives & gruesomely killed her over some issue with credit cards.
     

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