Twitter User Hints at Murdering Trump Supporters

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  1. DaveBN

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    I can think of at least one major player spreading hate and otherism. He’s a regular on Twitter. As for the rest of the list, I don’t have any handy and I’m not terribly interested in compiling one. I’m not a fan of counting the crazies as I have mentioned earlier in the thread. And I honestly don’t think it’s productive. I apologize for and regret any instances where I have engaged in it.

    If you feel that all I have done in this thread is wag my finger at the right then I will take it as a serious failing in my attempts to communicate my point. I’m sorry for that. I denounce those who promote violence, hate, and otherism. I rebuke those who believe anything beyond civil discussion or failing that peaceful civil disobedience are a justified as a means to any kind of a respectable end. All of this I find detestable; in both the right and the left. I appreciate that you can agree with my overall point and I hope that this post clarifies my view that wrong is wrong no matter the perpetrator.
    As stated above, I apologize for failings in communicating my point. I am not here to wag my finger at the right. I know the left is guilty of plenty and I denounce it all. I am willing to take a first step if that is what you’d like. I am sorry for any harm you have endured from the party I associate with. Civil discussion is the only way forward if political divides are to be healed and a peaceful political climate is to be found. Wrong is wrong no matter the perpetrator.
    I would say anyone perpetrating violence is in the wrong. It is never acceptable and there is always a better way.
    I believe we can learn from our history, and for what it’s worth I am sorry to have engaged in “count the crazies” it’s not productive.
    Political violence is never acceptable, and claiming one side has more responsibility for it is not helpful. We should, all of us, denounce it and seek to curb it at every turn.
     
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    Let's see how serious you are.

    Put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.

    The next time someone trots out the Racist, Nazi, Whateverophobe labels, and the Hitler comparisons, do your part to combat divisiveness.
     
  3. DaveBN

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    I would like to think I have at least a decent track record in those area, but I will honestly do my best going forward. I have to admit this thread has taken a great bit of effort for me to keep up with (it has honestly been exhausting just trying to convince one side of my views let alone two), but I felt compelled after the general response to my first post. I hope you will join me in the effort to fight divisiveness.
     
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    It's good to hear you say we can earn from history and, given that truth, what do you make of leftists blocking free speech through intimidation and violence? Intimidating innocent people in public places. Any historical lessons we can learn from that?

    And what about leftists threatening to murder opposing politicians and their families? Where would we look for historical reference in these cases?

    I have no historical references for anyone encouraging the sexualy molestation of 4 year old little girl, or young boys, or targeting them for murder. Do you know of any time this has happened anywhere in the world apart from the American leftists of today?
     
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  5. DaveBN

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    I hope you’ll accept answers broken up into paragraphs per question. I’m on my phone and dissecting quotes is a hassle.

    While I strongly agree we can learn from history I would be lying if I claimed that I was some great student of history, political or otherwise. Perhaps a failing on my part. So I’ll provide historical context for my views if I can, otherwise it’s just how I see the world. Intimidation and especially violence to block free speech are unacceptable. Thoughtful counter arguments are always a better option. That being said no one is required to give you a platform for your speech; regardless of what it may be.

    I can think of an immediate example in the current state of Mexico, but I don’t know what’s political motivation versus cartels attacking those they find bad for business. Certainly not an example from history. By no measure is any of it okay, and it should all be denounced and bad actors should be arrested where it is applicable.

    I’m picking up a theme in your line of questioning. If you want me to say that the American left is the only such people to act in this way I can’t definitively say one way or the other. I can say this however. It is unacceptable, and bad actors should be arrested if applicable. I denounce all who think it is appropriate.

    I renounce Satan and all of his works; just in case you feel there is some kind of despicable acts I’m good with here.
     
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    I think you would likely find my political views to be rather far left, though maybe my means of attaining goals sets me more moderate? I’m not great with the nuances of qualifying categories of any one side. I do believe that those advocating for, approving of, and committing violence are truly fringe individuals. With a rough split of 50/50 of left and right I would have to imagine there’d be all out war in the streets if the majority of either side advocated for violence. I do however believe that pushing otherism and hate is all too common for both sides, and is why we face this political climate today. I know that the groups you listed and other perpetrators of violence receive a ton of media attention. So much so that it is easy to understand believing they are everywhere and in great number. But honestly the only place I experience them is online. Maybe I’m just decent at keeping good company? Who knows. I find little to no opportunity to challenge extreme individuals in my daily life. I don’t think myself a coward for that, just simply not given the opportunity. I also don’t hunt for it either.

    I don’t know what you want me to say further. I’ve spent the day urging people to seek common ground with little success. I feel like I’m met with suspicion. Maybe justified? I don’t know. I hold out hope though that there are some willing to meet in the middle when presented the opportunity.

    As a side note I find it disheartening that anyone would find it funny when someone trying to bridge gaps and mend wounds is bullied into silence.
     
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    In the face of that list I just published? Oh yes, we're very capable of violence. We just don't resort to it as the first option.

    Peace comes when the aggressor ends their aggression, and we are not the aggressors. They can either chose to end their own aggression and have peace, or we can end it for them. Their choice.

    I know, let's do a science project.

    Put on an Obama hat and walk through Winston, Alabama (had 90% Trump votes).

    Then put on a MAGA hat and walk through Portland.

    Do the Obama hat first or you probably won't be alive to try the Obama hat.

    Oh and no, we're not all looking for a "better America". The left is on a full blown socialism/communism/"get rid of ICE"/"**** America" agenda.

    These people hate America. Just ask them.
     
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    people do vote but it is of no value if the district is gerrymandered as happens so often in the Republican South
     
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    that is typical for white suburban districts

    however, in the ghettos, the waiting lines often go far out into the streets and it takes many hours for people to vote - sometimes they get shut out of voting altogether
     
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    the topic is domestic political violence which makes this on point
     
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    who killed more people, this character above or Bush?
    hint: one became delusional over non existing WMD
     
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    funny how right wingers keep using terms like "left wing insanity", liberalism is a mental disease, liberals are commies, fascists, members or supporters of Antifa, support Jihadi terrorism, etc

    Thus, nobody is demonizing more than forum right wingers.
     
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    This is demonizing with words, not actions. Leftists, and their associative groups you mentioned, are threatening murder, child rape, harassment for life, bullying, intimidation, removing free speech, and so on. And for this you object to being called what they are??
     
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    Do you think Bush acted on his own? If you want to discuss the Iraq war start another thread.
     
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    tell your fellow right wingers not to bring up anyone else who is associated with Obama instead of applying your usual double standards

    also stop continually demonizing all libs while ignoring the sins of your side
     
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    I like your projection. We have nothing to be angry about. Our candidate won. It's the Libs who are namecallers, and we aren't going to just sit back and accept the lies being told. Would YOU? Isn't that how your team lost?
     
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    The report, “Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2017,” published Tuesday by the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, said extremists killed 34 people last year. Twenty of those victims — or 59 percent — were killed by right-wing extremists, a designation that includes white supremacists, members of the so-called “alt-right” and “alt-lite,” and members of the anti-government militia movement.

    Of the 34 people killed, 18 were murdered by white supremacists, marking a 157 percent increase over the 7 people killed by white supremacists in 2016.

    That’s also double the number of people killed by domestic Islamic extremists in 2017. Nine people were killed by domestic Islamic extremists last year, according to the report, eight of whom died in a single attack in New York."

    Compare the numbers of total deaths to the percentages, and then we understand why they gave us the percentages instead. This would make Joseph Goebbels proud. This is exactly what he did to dehumanize opposition to the Nazi Party and therefore to consolidate control.
     
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    I haven't heard from Glenn Beck in quite awhile; I have no idea what he is saying lately. However, I listen to Rush almost every day. How do you rate him as an equivalent to Maxine Waters? He does an excellent job presenting examples of Lefties behaving badly, mocks them for their blatant hypocrisy and lies, and gives intelligent analysis and opinions about situations in the news. He does NOT call for attacks on any group. I am a very intelligent person with a strict sense and opinion about bad behavior. If Rush acted anything like the insane Left, I would not be listening to him.

    Nothing you can say can smooth over the lunacy that has taken over the Left and is plastered all over everything they do and say. Trump won, the Left went nuts, and continues to slip further and further into their foil-lined twilight zone.
     
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    So far Trump supporters have just dared to disagree with what passes for the "progressive" "left".

    This is the response:

    ""Capitol Police have issued an arrest warrant for a man who threatened to kill me and chop up my family with an axe," Paul said. "It's just horrendous that we have to deal with things like this."

    This marks one of several threats and attacks Paul has had in the last year. More than a year ago, Paul was on the baseball diamond when James Hodgkinson opened fire and shot several congressional staffers as well as Rep. Steve Scalise, a Louisiana Republican. "

    COURIER-JOURNAL, Man allegedly threatens to chop up Rand Paul and his family with an ax, By Thomas Novelly, Published 1:17 p.m. ET July 2, 2018 | Updated 7:52 p.m. ET July 2, 2018.
    https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...an-threatens-kill-sen-rand-paul-ax/751211002/
     
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    You know what guys? I give up on this thread. The right on this forum always post about how polarized the left is. How unreasonable they are. How they refuse to work with the right. I stepped in here and agreed that for their part the left is wrong, and asked that you join me in saying the same for those guilty on the right. I was trying to do what you always seem to want from the left. It’s clear none of you truly want it though. You want your echo chamber. You don’t want to convince anyone or be convinced. You want to let off steam and have people agree with you. It’s childish and I’m done entertaining children.

    So enjoy yourselves. Revel in the fact that you drove someone reaching across the aisle from the thread. You guys sure showed me I’ll tell ya what. Happy 4th.
     
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    All decent people should demonize people like Peter Fonda, who advocates pedophilia on Donald and Melania Trump's son. And their 4-year-old granddaughter.

    Why did Fonda say something like that? Because he correctly felt he could get away with it and be applauded by the left for his originality and deeply held feelings. Severed heads, threads of murder,- and actual murders- are being propagated by leftists, as well as harassment against innocent people, and you feel this should be played down?

    There are midterm elections coming up at which time Leftists can vote for Democrats. There's another election in a couple years when the leftists can vote for the President of their choice. That system has been in place for well over 200 years and yet the Leftists still don't seem to get it. Is the depth of their ignorance not obvious to you yet?
     
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    You used Timothy McVeigh as an example of right wing violence and another, perhaps you as well, used an abortion bombing a few years ago as another example. Yet you and other leftists say BOTH sides must calm down.

    No, it is the leftists who are destroying honest debate in the country and if there was an honest leftist among them they'd simply admit to it and call out those leftists, like Antifa as one small example, who are dragging down the party.

    Fortunately there are some leftists who put their humanity before their increasingly irrelevant political party. https://www.breitbart.com/big-gover...ay-movement-to-abandon-liberalism-goes-viral/
     
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    I think it would be great if Maxine Waters, like Rush Limbaugh, had her own syndicated radio show. Three daily hours of Maxine, Mon to Fri, would encapsulate contemporary leftist thought with, perhaps, Nancy Pelosi serving as an occasional guest host. They must get their message to the people.
     
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    A big difference between you and I is that I don't hold you accountable for what this guy, who is clearly on your side of the fence, says:



    Yet you try to hold me accountable for a post made by some quack (or a trucker) years ago.
     
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    Well, you came to the wrong people.

    I am not going to sit down and sing Kumbaya with you, just because you make a weak, misdirected effort.

    The problem lies with your side. You fix your side first, then I will forgive and forget.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-journ...azis-celebs-call-us-cnts-dems-scream-fck-you/
     
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