Why is it that everyone that wants socialism

Must be fun being combative, innit? Stop putting words in my mouth, mate.

Where have I made any such claims? Oh wait, I haven't.

 

Three people have as much wealth as the bottom 50% of the nation.

We NEED a redistribution of wealth!! The separation of wealth that we have now is absurd. If the end result of capitalism is that very few people get almost all the money, to hell with capitalism!!!

I forget the calculation, but a small number [like 100] of the richest people in the country could pay off the national debt and still have millions of dollars left each! Think about that! The entire country is drowning in debt and a handful of people could pay it off. THAT is pathetic.

Where do we draw the line: When 0.01% of the nation owns 99% of the wealth? The example of leaders in socialist countries having extreme wealth compared to the rest, is no different than what is happening here.

When will the right wing stop giving all the money to the uber rich? But you have to hand it to them. The uber-uber rich have poor people feeling sorry for them.

 

If a person calls for "social democracy" or even "democratic socialism" in some cases, then yes, that's what they want. But not if they call for "socialism" and know what they're talking about.

 

Please stop spreading garbage and lies.

 

That would be the end of the "USA". It would be morphing into something completely unrecognizable. We would no longer be citizens. We would be subjects, living to serve the government.

 

Absolutely. But I'll bet the kids who want socialism mean Bernie Sanders socialism, not your kind -- state-enforced co ops operating in a market economy -- or the kind most serious Marxists want, state ownership of the means of production in a Planned Economy.

However, it's definitely a real opening for every kind of socialist around. The DSA -- whose distant ancestor I was a member of at age 15 -- is growing rapidly, getting lots of naive young kids, and will no doubt soon experience the joys of "entryism" -- I'm sure there are a dozen or so people in five or ten different Trotskyist groups who are reading up on 'the French Turn' at this very moment, while their Maoist counterparts are studying 'The Tasks of the Chinese Communist Party in the Period of Resistance to Japan' . And of course for an American example, they need only study the success of PL in SDS. Should be fun to watch!

 

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You see how annoying it is when we conservatives are called fascists and Nazis by people on your side (not necessarily by you).

 

The nuclear power industry is socialist. Why do righties support that?

The VA is entirely a socialist program. I don't hear righties complaining about that. Why? Unlike Obamacare, that is literally socialized medicine.

 

I like free police, fire and roads, most people do, as a society we all benefit

America uses the best of all systems, no one system is perfect, if something from one system works, use it, don't restrict yourself

when we defeated the Nazi's we stole many of their scientists, because they were talented, we did not reject them because of where they came from, take the good, reject the bad

Trump's father came from Germany too, some woudl debate if we shoudl of rejected him

 

People should read your short linked info and they will see that you have invented crap they didn't say or publish. From your link:
"Why does the CPUSA support Democratic Party candidates for the presidency instead of running their own candidates?
AThe Communist Party does not endorse candidates from other parties, but we are deeply involved in mobilizing people to participate in the elections.

The presidential election is not just about candidates themselves. It is about choosing what direction the country will go in."

The CPUSA is certainly objectionable but they are hardly a threat to anyone. Their program is ignored by all but members and membership is very, very tiny because most people are DONE with the communist approach.

I've been to their meetings and discussed goals with leaders, and I was always told DSA is a "big tent" organization with many different viewpoints and interests from supporting candidates and advocating legislation to working to advance workers' co-ops. And BTW, they are all opposed to a violent revolution and a communist approach. I couldn't find one person who felt to the contrary.

This has always been a tactic of CPUSA, and it's all about trying (vainly) to draw people away from the Dems to join CPUSA. It has never been measurably effective.

What more do you need to know how utterly bankrupt the CPUSA is?

 

Socialized sewage control has worked out better than the alternative!

Imagine if sewage was controlled by the free market!

 

the Amish societies work well for them, it really depends, you use what works and ditch the rest

the me me me society doesn't work so well either on it's own, but there are some benefits and we incorporate those too

 

Socialism is an economic system that espouses public ownership of industry.

a community pooling their money to buy a fire truck, a police force and a sewer system is not socialism.

 

If you raise taxes on the wealthy, the wealthy flee. France just did this a couple years ago.

Socialists try this over and over and we keep getting the same result.

 

Ok. How's this: First, you cannot depend on capitalist ideologues to tell you the truth about socialism, so you have to depend on the facts to know what it actually is. And the facts are that the problems with capitalism and the alternative of socialism was developed by Karl Marx. Further fact: everyone, everywhere, who seriously discusses or advocates socialism discusses it in terms of Marxian thought. So Marx is the accepted authority on socialism. Ok, so what did he say about it? He said workers would "cast off their chains" of capitalist oppression and exploitation, and would rule and run the economy by owning and running industry, thus eliminating private property ownership of business, and eliminate private profit and private wealth-building. So there you have it; socialist economy is one in which workers own and operate businesses.

When government owns/runs enterprises, workers don't. The relationship of worker to management and control remain the same relationship. For this reason it is not socialism. The problem you're having is the same one so many have after being subjected to nothing but capitalist ideology and propaganda all their lives: they confuse the effort to establish socialist economy with actually having a functioning socialist economy. They are very different, of course. So with that confusion cleared up, plus knowing what socialism really would be as Marx presented it, we can see that government ownership and operation of enterprises is not socialism. In fact, Marx and Engels talked about it and labeled it "state capitalism".

See you soon.

 

Then, you should stay away from the Socialist Republic of California and, in particular, socialist pooping ground, San Francisco.

 

What are you talking about? You seem to be confusing totalitarian authoritarianism with socialism and democracy.

 

In neither case do workers own and run any part of it.

 

sunny states year round always have more homeless, cause where it freezes, people freeze too

 

Kode: You should put in a link to your thread.

In the meantime, for anyone seriously interested in this subject, here's an interesting article from the socialist magazine, Monthly Review. (This journal has been around a long time ... for many years they upheld the Soviet Union as 'socialist' ... then, in the late 60s, bending to the popularity of Maoism, they suddenly decided it was actually ... 'fascist'. When intelligent educated socialists have a hard time distinguishing between socialism and fascism, that tells you something.)

 

Haha, no kidding!!! If you have to live in a box, you don't want to be in Fargo North Dakota!

 

Yep, people don't know the difference between political systems, and economic models.

It is argued that China is now more capitalist than we are! But they combine the worst - capitalism combined with authoritarianism. And that is exactly where trump and trumpers are driving the country. They want us to be China!

Trump even stated that he would like to be President for life, like in China. Recall that he congratulated Xi Jinping for his lifetime position. Again, the president of the US congratulated a foreign leader on his totalitarian victory and said he wants the same. Think about that!

 

In my country it is.
Nothing has changed at all since it went private.

 

It's good to get away from them.