Catholicism and Lutheranism

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  1. Interaktive

    Interaktive Well-Known Member

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    Do not you think that Lutheranism is a more developed religion than Catholicism. After all, Lutherans not only believe in evolution, but also legalized women priests, crown gays.
    How do you feel about the autocephaly of the UOC-KP?
     
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    Depends on what you mean by developed. It seems more modern and more flexible, but I'm not sure how that maps to "developed".
     
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    Patriarch Kirill asked Justin Wellby not to ordain women. Here is an example of the fact that Orthodoxy is an undeveloped religion
     
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    You consider adhering to the Bible as underdeveloped?
     
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    I believe that the less religious religion is, the less dogmatic, the closer to science, the more developed it is. The more developed the people, the less religious it is. The Orthodox people of Russia and Ukraine are less developed than the Lutheran and Anglican peoples of Scandinavia and Britain. Because our churches are being built, and in the North of Europe they are being closed.
     
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    I would have to disagree with that.

    Catholicism knows science very well whether they choose to follow it or not. Even their investigators for things like exorcisms base it all on science while groups like Southern Baptists do not rely on science at all and they are not religious at all compared to some of the other groups.
     
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    I'm still not sure what you mean by developed. I would say a very developed idea is one that have gone through many iterations of refinement, not necessarily one that has reached refinement. I might be inclined to say that Catholicism is more developed than Lutheranism in that more development have happened within Catholicism (mostly due to it having been around for longer) but that's a very different statement to what you seem to be gunning at.
     
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    Lutheranism is the most well known branch of Protestantism. If we are to make comparisons with Catholicism and Protestantism, I think it's necessary to bring in Eastern Orthodoxy (and even Oriental Orthodoxy) into the conversation.

    It depends on what part of Catholicism and Protestantism are more 'developed'.

    For the Protestants, I'd say they are better in the sense that they put more emphasis on personal development in one's relationship with God and understanding the scriptures for yourself. That is in contrast to Catholics that assert their church authorities, especially the Pope are infallible instead of the scriptures and that you must submit to the authority of the church in order to have a relationship with God and only the church authorities can interpret the scriptures for you. And the church authorities are definitely NOT infallible as priests molesting children demonstrates.

    For Catholics, they have the advantage of being more open minded to seeing God's work beyond the Bible. They invoke the Saints because they see God's prophetic work being done through them. They like to think of them as Post-first century apostles if that makes sense. They are also open to seeing the supernatural happen in their lives like statues bleeding or even believers having prophetic revelations themselves. This is in contrast to the dogmatic Protestant belief that God is finished with revelations and only the Bible is the infallible authority. Many English speaking Protestants are also very inflexible with the idea of any other Bible translation being legitimate other than the King James Bible.

    Another interesting note I'd point out is that most (definitely not all though) left leaning and progressive minded people I know come from Catholic backgrounds.

    Now can someone please say something about Orthodox Christians?
     
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    Where do you get that Lutherans believe in evolution or the rest of what you wrote? There are MANY different Lutheran denominations that are NOTHING like you claim.
     
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    The majority of Lutheran Synods are far more similar to the modern Catholic Church than they are to Baptists and evangelical Christians.

    Many Lutheran Synods have a much LOWER status for women than the American Catholic churches practice.
     
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    Well, Catholics can believe in evolution (but are not required to). (The last 4 Popes specifically have mentioned it.). Please research before you spout off nonsense.
     
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