One question for Christians and one for Muslims neither can answer

Do you believe you have a choice to do something the omniscient god doesn't know about? Your entirety is determined for eternity already. For it is known and unchangeable.
A little bit of logic will open your eyes about free will.

 

Since there is no objective conclusive proof of any religion, people vary in their beliefs. And so what? The Truth is not a popularity contest.


Islam and atheism are separate religions and are explicitly designed to be mutually exclusive from Christianity. Obviously those believers will claim Christianity is wrong.

Judaism - not Jews, as many Jews are Christians - rejects the New Testament and the Gospel. Obviously those believers will claim Christianity is wrong.

For the Roman Catholics, they believe in salvation through faith and augmented by deeds.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/arent-we-saved-by-faith-alone
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/did-jesus-teach-salvation-by-faith-alone
https://carm.org/catholic-salvation-attain

The last is the most complete, but the fact remains that in Roman Catholicism faith is required for salvation, they still accept Jesus as Savior. Roman Catholics just believe they have to do more to keep their salvation.

Hypothetically, if I am wrong then Christianity is wrong in its entirety and some other belief system is the Truth. If the Roman Catholic concept is correct or I am correct and their expanded view is not, then I still have salvation, and so do Roman Catholics as faith and acceptance of Grace is required by all, we just see works in a different way.

And you should worry about your own salvation, not mine, as you are promoting a message against Jesus and Christianity in all its forms. My difference is a detail, yours is outright rejection of the entire faith.

 

Exactly, people vary in their beliefs.
So don't go spreading your beliefs, for they mean virtually nothing.
And you are spreading Pauline doctrine. The persecutor of Christians. The person who never met god or Jesus. Only have his persecuting word as proof.
Don't be a false prophet.

Not necessarily christianity in it's entirety. But very likely in some parts.
As your response to my question proves.

 

Extend your post to its logical conclusion - everyone should say nothing about anything because we all have different beliefs, and all beliefs mean virtually nothing so there is nothing worth while to talk about or believe in or to do. Everyone should just sit at home and die a slow death. That's your belief?

Read the Bible in its entirety. You take one part describing Paul's persecution of Christians and ignore the conversion of Paul and his extensive work supporting and spreading Christianity. Your argument is foolish.

 

Spreading to all the world is NOT in the ball park of never saying anything. Don't be so emotional. And then try to say logic as an explanation. LOL.

No reason to read in it's entirety. Even though I've read the NT in it's entirety.
Who says what Paul had to say is correct? It is known he contradicts what Jesus taught. That should be clue 1. Clue 2 should be, no one but Saul, can verify any vision he ever had.

 

The point I made is that you pick and choose from the Bible what you want to believe. You choose to believe that Paul persecuted Christians, but then reject Pauls conversion. You choose to believe some of the things about Jesus, and reject others. The only basis you have for your selection is your personal bias, you pick what fits your bias and reject what refutes it.

 

So do you.
Your question as to how one gets to heaven proves it. You said believe the gospel. Not at all what Jesus said. But you picked Sauls words.
Who said Paul actually converted? Or had any vision? Just Saul. He could be a tool by Satan to provide false witness for those who are gullible.

 

I take the complete Bible, Old and New Testaments. If there is a conflict between points made in parts of the Bible, then I try to resolve them within the context of the Bible. You just pick and choose what strikes your fancy, and then try to justify it with wild hypothetical claims.

And you have made the same arguments for years. You show no progress in any direction, your criticisms have not evolved in any way. That shows a closed mind.

 

Muslims believe that Jesus was the purest of the prophets, born of a virgin and he is mentioned more frequently in the Koran than Muhhamed.

They also do NOT believe in blood sacrifice or original sin.

 

They also say Jesus was a muslim, 900 years before muslims existed.

 

Yes.. they believe all are Muslims back to Adam.. You can't get your head around that, can you?

 

They believe anything they are told, that's why they are dangerous.

Did you know that Eve got Adam drunk on wine. Hmm, wonder where she got it.
Maybe the muslim at the 7/11

 

They believe all the patriarchs were "submitters"..

In the Koran .. Adam and Eve repented and God forgave them and was always accessible to them.

And then there are the Jewish and Muslims legends about their 130 year separation, Adam and Lilith shacking up and giving birth to demons and Mother Eve being buried in Jedda.

 

Dude, there is no such thing as Adam and Eve.
There is no such thing as the Arabic language was around before man.
Just having a dialogue of fictional people from over 40,000 years ago means a lot.
There is no such thing as the genealogy from Ishmael to Muhammed.

These are 100% fabrications.

 

Islam also believes Jesus was not crucified and did not rise from the dead, which makes Islam and Christianity mutually exclusive.

 

Many Christians, throughout history, were given the choice to convert to Islam or die.
They chose death.

 

Wrong. You spout Saul and only Saul. I've read your posts and your responses to me. You absolutely pick and choose. Even though you don't think so.
I asked 1 question. You spout Saul and only Saul.
Tell us what Jesus says. With verses.
Tell us what God says. With verses.
Stop the Saul rants.

You show no progress in spouting the persecutor of Christians, Saul.
Take a look in the mirror sometime. Or step back and looks at what you spout. What you believe, is not what is absolute truth. Even though you believe it. A dangerous position to have.

 

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Paul and the rest of the Bible are consistent.

And you are wrong - I have used Peter and Acts to explain salvation. In fact, I have provided modern articles to try to explain salvation to you from a perspective other than my own. Yet you have not changed your comments or questions one bit.

But answer this - you accept Paul when he states he persecuted Christians, yet reject Paul when he states he was converted to Christianity. What is your basis for accepting some of what Paul writes and rejecting other parts?

 

There were witnesses to his persecuting.
There is ZERO witness to his vision to convert. Likely a plot by Saul and Satan to be a wolf in sheep clothing. So Satan can gain more souls. Just as valid a point as believing he actually converted. Both have equal weight.
Given Saul contradicts Jesus.

 

I used to look claims like this up to see what the claimant was talking about until I realized they were just making it up and there was no basis for their claims.

 

Here's a site that tries to support your side.

Luke wrote both the Gospel of Luke and the book of Acts. In Acts 9 Luke records the events surrounding Paul's conversion. We see that Jesus himself called Paul and sent him to be an apostle. If Paul and Jesus are not in agreement, then why would Jesus call Paul to be his apostle? Jesus is God in flesh and would, therefore, know all things. Jesus would certainly have known what Paul would teach which, it seems, is one of the reasons Jesus called him.
https://carm.org/questions/other-questions/did-jesus-and-paul-teach-same-thing

How would Luke no anything about what Paul's conversion? Neither Luke or Saul ever met Jesus, the person. Or Jesus anything.

So, it is highly unlikely you ever looked anything up regarding Saul.

 

I would be very suspicious of any control group therapy that forces you to acccept God, like AA.

The group therapy forces people to believe in something that cannot possibly help with

Alcoholism. God cannot help those ailing from major mood disorders like manic depression, or

PTSD. For these, it requires the specialized knowledge of clinical psychology, one on one.







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List of the Twelve Apostles[edit]
Jesus and the 12 apostles in Domus Galilaeae, Israel.
The following is a list of the Twelve Apostles, named as they are most commonly referred to:

• Peter (born Simon)
• Andrew, brother of Peter
• James, son of Zebedee
• John, brother of James, son of Zebedee
• Philip
• Bartholomew
• Thomas
• Matthew
• James, son of Alphaeus
• Judas Thaddeus, also known as Jude
• Simon the Zealot, also known as Simon the Canaanite
• Judas Iscariot
• Matthias is not an original apostle and is a replacement for Judas Iscariot after the betrayal of Jesus.

Do you see Luke in this list?

Got some scripture of Luke meeting Jesus?

 

There were witnesses to Pauls conversion and to his work as a Christian - Peter and Luke wrote about it. Clearly you have not read the Bible.