The ultimate deal for Palestine...

Because they mostly stick together, don't integrate and are loyal to the Zionist regime in Israel. In many countries they are actually influencing the Government's policies. Germany and the US are prime examples.
Here is a list of countries that do have Jewish communities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

 

I think, GRAU, in #249, answered that question very nicely.

 

Wow. jews can be found around the world. So can muslims.

Ah the fixation of haters. If only everything in the world was as binary as they see it or at least like to have it.

NOBODY is blameless in this massive multi generational clustermuck. Everybody is guilty. Everybody is a victim.

But resolution won't come from hatred. It can only come from trust and tolerance, and that aint' gonna happen any time soon on either side, considering the leadership to be had.

 

your anti-Jew hate speech is disgusting.

hopefully someday folks can support the Palestinians without embracing anti-Jew bigotry and falsehoods.

 

No, not first! They defended themselves against the Arabs.
I found a new site, that seems to be accurate:

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan.

Read further here:
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war

 

He said to dwell in them lands.

You aware that fighting Allah, Mohammed and go about the earth spreading mischief are repaid with death according to the Koran? You think this applies to ethnic cleansing thieving Jews?

 

^^
You think those people are part of the "great melting pot" in the US? lol
They aint integrating. Get real.

 

Haha... easy to say in hindsight. Even in 2000 the offer was not fair or they would have taken it.

In the Guardian newspaper on 14 April 2001, diplomatic editor Ewen MacAskill wrote:
The Israelis portrayed it as the Palestinians receiving 96% of the West Bank. But the figure is misleading. The Israelis did not include parts of the West Bank they had already appropriated.

The Palestine that would have emerged from such a settlement would not have been viable. It would have been in about half-a-dozen chunks, with huge Jewish settlements in between - a Middle East Bantustan. The Israeli army would also have retained the proposed Palestinian state’s eastern border, the Jordan valley, for six to 10 years and, more significantly, another strip along the Dead Sea coast for an unspecified period: so much for being an independent state.
[…]
A genuinely generous offer by Barak might have secured peace. That was the missed historic opportunity. If Israel had been more magnanimous at Camp David, it could have had the greater prize of long-term stability.


There is a huge danger attached to the Israeli view that Arafat spurned a great offer. Accepting this version perpetuates the Israeli myth that the Palestinians will not be happy until the Jews are pushed back into the sea and that the West Bank and Gaza are full of gunmen and bombers intent on making that happen.

Full article here:
https://electronicintifada.net/cont...er-camp-david-generous-and-unprecedented/3991
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Yes, this "pushing into the sea" is still being propagated by many Jews, even here in the forum have I heard it.

 

The solution should be simple. Coexist or die.

 

The link you provide literally has "intifada" in the url, I cannot take what they say as unbiased.

I did find this though, you may enjoy it.

https://www.belfercenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/files/pressman.pdf

It presents both the Israeli and Palestinian sides of the issue... as unbiased a report as you are likely to find anywhere.

Just sayin'

 

muslims haven't ever done that at any point in history, any where on earth; why would they do so now?

They have the long-term in mind, and believe in decades/centuries of war/insurgency to destroy everyone else, whatever and however long it takes. They are not migrating in massive waves to the West by accident.

The smartest thing Western leaders could do is to mass deport all of the muslims out of their countries before they reach 15-20% of the population, because once that happens you can expect your freedoms to begin getting curtailed as muslim demands increase.

 

Yeah, ok.

So all those times the Israelis offered a peace plan, they were all totally unacceptable?

Where were the pals counter-offers?

Amazing how they never made any, and simply resorted to psychotic violence, which apologists like you excuse away. Just disgusting.

 

Something about,... demanding East Jerusalem to be their capital.

 

maybe they value their lives. It was coexist or die if they don't want to coexist they can die

you are correct sir all we have to do is look at history this is how Islam spread in the first place.

Sad thing is this is history repeating itself

 

Thank you... that is indeed an intelligent and thought-through evaluation of the situation in Palestine. Of course, Pressman is a studied Political Analyzer with a PHD behind his name!
May I repeat a short section of his report?:

After the Camp David summit, Israel and some U.S. officials told a story about what happened, which was widely accepted in Israel and the United States.
According to this dominant version of the events at Camp David, Israeli Prime
Minister Ehud Barak made a generous offer to the Palestinian negotiators who
rejected it without even putting forth a counter proposal.
At Camp David, Barak offered...
a Palestinian state in the Gaza Strip and
more than 90 percent of the West Bank,
a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem,
shared control of the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary in Jerusalem’s Old City, and
a commitment to withdraw many Israeli settlements from the West Bank.

The Israeli version continues that Palestinian leaders rejected Barak’s offer and the diplomatic route to a peaceful settlement of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Instead, they tried to destroy Israel by pressing throughout the Israeli-Palestinian talks for the return of millions of Palestinian refugees to Israel and by launching the second intifada, or uprising, in September 2000.

According to Palestinian negotiators, Israel’s offer at Camp David did not remove many of the vestiges of the Israeli occupation in terms of land, security, settlements, and Jerusalem.
Despite Israel’s intransigence, these negotiators continued. The Palestinian Authority(PA), the governing entity of the semi-autonomous Palestinian areas in Gaza and the West Bank, preferred negotiations to violence.
They argued that the PA did not launch the intifada. Rather, it was caused by factors under Israel’s control, including:
frustration from continued Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands despite the 1993 and 1995 Oslo peace agreements;
the visit of Ariel Sharon, leader of Israel’s Likud opposition, to the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary on September 28, 2000;
and the heavy-handed response of Israeli forces to the resulting Palestinian protest.

After reading this, I think they should have accepted the Israeli offer. At least they could live in peace, and could later on ask for improvements on this or that.
If someone makes a serious offer, it should at least be considered and discussed... not rejected straight out. That would only harden the resolve of the opponent not to give an inch; and that goes for both sides.

I wonder, if they could turn the clock back to 2000 and tried again, would they achieve an agreement both sides could live with? The Pals might be ready, am not so sure about the Israelis.
What do you think?

 

the VAST majority of Jews in the USA are not Orthodox and especially not Hasidic.

meanwhile Muslims in Britain, France, Germany, Belgium, are notorious for not assimilating and demanding Sharia Law.

 

Glad you liked it. Some left leaning person here on this forum referred to me as a troll for not appreciating her huffpo link as a valid source just the other day, it's always nice when you come across someone more congenial than the rest.

I think maybe if more people were in control of deciding rather than just one guy like Arafat, they probably would have accepted the deal even back then. But I am really doubtful that the Palestinians really want peace, I think the destruction of Israel is still their goal and will likely not change.

 

So what was the arabs' counter offer? Violence, as usual.

When the arabs are willing to view non-muslims as equals - something that has never happened anywhere in history, then there might be peace.

 

It always takes two to tango.... Israel is not innocent in this conflict. Daily they rub more salt into the Palestinians' wounds. Where is their superior behavior??
Recently I found this...

So, Israel is also stealing Syria's resources!! Are they doing this in an effort to get along with their neighbor?

The Huffington Post! Is it not a Jewish-owned paper? Why are you taking an issue with it?

 

Well, aren't the Jews the worst in accepting Non-Jews? They actually claim to be God's chosen people... the rest are all animals! You can read that in their Talmud.
The Talmud states only Jews partake of God. All non-Jews are animals.
While the vast majority of Jews don’t know the Talmud and don’t hold this view, it definitely is held by many Israelis toward Palestinians.
Do you agree?

 

I dismiss anything huffpo says, categorically, out of hand. They could say the sky is blue and I would be disinterested. I'm as disinterested in who is a Jew and who isn't as I am huffpo. I simply don't care about race.

I'll have to go see what else I can find in regards to the illegality of what/who/where and the drilling thereof, but have had a long day driving out to my Dad's house and helping him with stuff, and just got back, so I think I'm gonna turn up the stereo and piss the dog off for a bit and drink some covfefe. Will get back to ya later...

 

And do you really believe that Israel's (illegal) 'offer' was an honest and serious one? That the invader Israel would have abided by the terms as outlined above, had the PA agreed? That the invader Israel would have allowed Palestine to exist as an independent, safe and sovereign state? Are you that naive???

Here's a current picture of Israel today:

From https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/15/israel-turmoil-bill-allowing-jews-arabs-segregated

Israel is in the throes of political upheaval as the country’s ruling party seeks to pass legislation that could allow for Jewish-only communities, which critics have condemned as the end of a democratic state.

For the past half-decade, politicians have been wrangling over the details of the bill that holds constitution-like status and that Benjamin Netanyahuwants passed this month.

The proposed legislation would allow the state to “authorise a community composed of people having the same faith and nationality to maintain the exclusive character of that community”.

In its current state, the draft would also permit Jewish religious law to be implemented in certain cases and remove Arabic as an official language.

“In the Israeli democracy, we will continue to protect the rights of both the individual and the group, this is guaranteed. But the majority have rights too, and the majority rules,” the Israeli prime minister said this week.

A vote on the bill is expected next week, although a final draft has yet to be agreed on. The legislation has been compared to South African apartheid by Israeli parliamentarians, and several thousand Israelis protested in Tel Aviv on Saturday.

-snip-

 

100% false, Neo-Nazi propaganda.

the Talmud states that non-Jews have a place in God's kingdom of they follow the 7 Laws of Noah:

-do not worship idols.

-do not curse God

-establish courts of law.

-do not commit murder.

-do not commit adultery or sodomy.

-do not steal.

-do not eat the meat of an abused or inhumanely killed animal.



the bullshit that you spread about the Jews is disgusting, bigoted crap.

its a terrible shame that folks like you cannot defend the Palestinians without attacking the Jews with bigoted falsehoods.

 

why am I not surprised that you are advocating the ideas of extremist, obsessive anti-Semites who spew Neo-Nazi propaganda.

 

Uh, jews have historically been able to assimilate VERY well in other countries/with other groups. muslims, not so much.

Gotta love when non-jews like you try to spout BS about things you know nothing about. I won't bother trying to explain facts to you as you're clearly not interested in any.

If that idiocy were true then Israel would not have 20% of its populace arab muslim, nor would it allow freedom of religion/worship, nor would it have muslims and non-jews in high positions including judges on its supreme court, generals in its army, and senior doctors in its hospitals - NONE of which is reciprocated in ANY muslim country.

But like I said above, inconvenient facts like that are glossed over/ignored by people like you more interested in attacking jews than having a rational conversation.

Given that there are 16 arab muslim nations that do not even allow jews to enter them, and arab muslims are genociding many other groups like the coptics, yazidis, maronites, assyrians and armenians - tens of millions of people - you should point your focus on to the muslims when discussing horrendous behaviour in the mideast/world.