Donald Trump has been far tougher on Russia than obama, who is the real traitor

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  1. Grokmaster

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    Same guy who gave them control of 20% of our uranium reserves, secretly promises "more flexibility" to Putin, and then ORDERED our INTELL SERVICES TO STAND DOWN, and NOT TO INTERFERE with RUSSIAN MEDDLING....
     
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    Focus!! Trump is Making Russia Great Again at America's expense, tis' but obvious.
     
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    You've confused Trump with German chancellor Merkel, who's EU petro-dollar$ are making Putin and Russian oligarchs wealthy again :;):
     
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    Same old bullshit, we see.

    Your REMINDER...again:

    First, HOW DARE ANYONE CONSIDER RUSSIA A THREAT!!!
    (Obama dancing on Putin's string before he's even POTUS!! )





    Followed by :

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    and then THIS OUTRAGE:

    Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

    Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/...s-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

    And then this STUNNING BETRAYAL



    Uranium One deal led to some exports to Europe, memos show

    After the Obama administration approved the sale of a Canadian mining company with significant U.S. uranium reserves to a firm owned by Russia’s government, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission assured Congress and the public the new owners couldn’t export any raw nuclear fuel from America’s shores.

    “No uranium produced at either facility may be exported,” the NRC declared in a November 2010 press release that announced that ARMZ, a subsidiary of the Russian state-owned Rosatom, had been approved to take ownership of the Uranium One mining firm and its American assets.




    Yet NRC memos reviewed by The Hill show that it did approve the shipment of yellowcake uranium — the raw material used to make nuclear fuel and weapons — from the Russian-owned mines in the United States to Canada in 2012 through a third party. Later, the Obama administration approved some of that uranium going all the way to Europe, government documents show.


    http://thehill.com/policy/national-...deal-led-to-some-exports-to-europe-memos-show

    And then..BETRAYS NATO to APPEASE PUTIN:



    Obama abandons missile defense shield in Europe

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/17/missile-defence-shield-barack-obama





    And , as if ALL THAT WERE NOT ENOUGH...OBAMA BEGS TO GROVEL for PUTIN EVEN MORE:





    And then IMMEDIATELY Makes GOOD in his PROMISE TO PUTIN:


    Obama Won’t Arm Ukraine Because He Led the Disarming of Ukraine

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...e-he-led-disarming-ukraine-andrew-c-mccarthy/

    FOLLOWED BY THE COUP DE GRACE:



    Obama cyber chief confirms 'stand down' order against Russian cyberattacks

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/21/obama-cyber-chief-confirms-stand
    -down-order-against-russian-cyberattacks.html
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    THE FACTS show us the TRUTH about who Putin's Puppet/Bi**h IS, and ALWAYS HAS BEEN.....


    While Pres.Trump has, as the OP so accurately points out:


    Bombing Syria, Russia’s main client, and generally unleashing the U.S. military in Syria, including against Russians when necessary.

    Arming Ukraine.

    Browbeating NATO allies to increase defense spending.

    Adding low-yield nukes to our arsenal.

    Starting research and development on an INF noncompliant missile.

    Shutting Russia’s San Francisco consulate.

    Trump has repeatedly blamed the Russians for meddling, rightly putting blame on obama as well.




    We know...the PAINFUL (for you) FACTUAL REMINDER is "spam"...right?

    :roflol::roflol:


     
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    The Establishment Strikes Back
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    "The idea that the US government identified twelve culprits who were responsible for trying to overthrow American democracy is by any measure ludicrous, if indeed there was a major plan to disrupt the election at all."
     
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    More RU divisive spin I see designed to MRGA!!!! Only the Trump birther base is susceptible to this type of spin fake news.
     
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    Your guilt re spamming the forum but overfloweth in this post Grok..........even you know that you can only spam the forum with whataboutism that is contextually weak and false. You are predictable when you can't explain the Trump puppet on a string behaviour.
    Trump is doing the Hopak to Vlad's tune ;).
     
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    Funny how you consider facts to be "spin".
     
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    The birther base "facts" are spin.
     
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    Many fear the truth or serve someone else's interests, not America's.
     
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    There is no evidence that Trump engaged in a criminal conspiracy with Russia. This was a pack of lies cooked up by our criminal intelligence agencies and the criminal Obama Administration to cover-up their illegal spying on The Trump Campaign and their attempts to illegally fix the 2016 election through the work of a foreign spy.
     
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    No, not guilty of treason either, using the proper definition of that when it comes to people in gov't.

    And yet I have not seen trump do anything that would make me think he is selling out the US, her people, to Putin, to Russia. I see a man who campaigned on at least talking to russia, giving the caveat that he may not be able to deal with putin, with russia. But he has to actually find this out for himself by meeting with putin, himself. One on one. And then use his life time knowledge of dealing with other parties who either do, or do not want to make a reasonable deal with the US.

    I don't see our foreign policy before trump as anything that looks like a success, unless creating more chaos, disorder and problems is what our foreign policy should strive to do. I see a failure of foreign policy, which also made things even more dangerous than we found them. With such failures, to attack trump for deviating from the failures, is just utter partisan and neocon nonsense, on level with the mindset that has created a foreign policy that looks to be a tale told by an idiot.
     
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    To even entertain the idea that pres trump is serving russia, and to infer he wants to destroy his own country, where he is president, is just absurdity and utter nonsense. What kind of brain would entertain such lunacy? Partisans? Neocons? The hatred driven anti trump people?

    No decent, rational, objective, reasonable brain would. And that is where the buck stops, IMO.

    There is no evidence whatsoever to support what you act as if you believe. But we have seen your team not require evidence, in order to form a belief. So, such beliefs are very weak, and lack any foundation at all, except an emotional foundation. Sorry, that is no good. Useless. And to continue to use it, is desperation, IMO. I have never seen such desperation, in my 76 years of life on this planet.

    I have seen the same old sh*t coming from those anti trump folks, since even before he took the oath of office. And still no one shred of evidence to support these tin foil hat theories. But then, as I noted, you guys don't have a need for evidence in order to deeply hold onto a belief and make such claims of absolute certainty. Seems rather endemic in MSM and within the neocon crowd, as well as partisan democrats.

    The good news is that not all on the left have lost a need for evidence, but you will hardly see those people represented in MSM, but must go to alternative media and podcasts of the more rational and reasonable left leaning people.

    Here is one such fellow, who talks about current events, a sanders voter, a progressive, who has no trouble seeing the madness and insanity created by partisanship and even ignorance of reality. I should say, ignore-ance of reality, the act of just ignoring what reality is. So that one can hold an irrational belief.



    A genuine journalist, on the left, Greenwald has spoken of this issue many times since they were birthed in 2016, and even had to take on one of his contributor journalists, at the Intercept, in a discussion of a story penned by the guy, Risen, where Greenwald noted and evidenced the biased nature of the article, that was not journalism, real journalism, but an illustration of a journalist's bias affecting and infecting reporting.
     
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    That Commie Brennan is ignorant of this, and ran the CIA, boggles the mind.

    James Crapper, Obama's DNI and one of the key operatives of the current coup against President Trump, admitted that it was Obama who effectively set up the entire Mueller investigation.

    Crapper Admits Obama "Responsible" for Mueller Investigation
    Great points!
     
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    Does the irony of your post escape you? There is enough evidence in the public domain to support a criminal investigation into conspiracy between Trump & Russia. Then there was/is enough evidence for the DOJ to appoint a SC to criminally investigate. You have deluded yourself and easily........I guess you will continue to do so? Rhetorical, BTW....
     
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    You are clearly confused on counter-terrorism vs criminal and the regulations covering the SC. We all know why Mueller was appointed and that Mueller has failed, though as a cover up for Obama's felonious spying, it for now seems to be holding but, only in the sense that indictments aren't rolling out. We all know that the Obama Administration was a spying crook Administration.

    Small wonder PDT doesn't defending intel and LE agencies, we will ever forget Crapper declaring the Muslim Brotherhood a secular organization that has renounced terrorism?

    TOP. MEN.

    PDT Has Been Set Up, Framed and Relentlessly Persecuted by the US Intel Community

    As soon as Mueller wraps up his farce, I look forward to a floor to ceiling house cleaning with all these lying spying felonious bitterly partisan crooks with guns and badges, swept from our Federal Agencies.
     
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    In regards to Brennan, it illustrates just how he has become another mouthy, political partisan. He is using the tactics that deceptive partisans always use.

    Why didn't congress have this guy charged, or at least demanded that, after he lied under oath, and then was in charge of the CIA when they spied on their own oversight committee? The CIA is forbidden from doing operations within the US borders.

    This deal, which includes congress, in regards to his lying and spying, stinks to high heaven. It looks like congress will rubber stamp anything the CIA or intel does. Oversight? What a cruel joke, upon the People. Why was the Church Commission formed, and why did they suggest things that congress might do in order to get some control over possible rogue agencies? It was for naught, obviously. Blame Congress, both parties. Blame an intel enabled by congress. The stench here is enough to obscure any idea of a republic and the US Constitution. This is not how a rule of law constitutional republic is supposed to look! Nor smell either.

    We have more than just problems with rogue intel, who can get back at a sitting president 6 ways from sunday as told to us by Schumer on Face the Nation. MSM did not make an issue out of it, but heaven help us if trump had ever said such things about his own intel!!
     
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    Partizan propaganda ^^^ hence no rebuttal needed. Keep dodging to Obama...
     
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    Trump has been so tough on Putin that he was mulling giving him the one surviving man behind the Magnitsky Act (the other, his lawyer, already having died at the hands of Putin's thugs), has never once publicly criticized Putin or held him to account for his evils, and has now invited the murderous thug to his place for further talks.

    You cultists will follow your cult leader over any cliff he heads for.
     
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    Then you need to supply us with that evidence. I have not seen any of that evidence to support a conspiracy involving putin and trump or trump and russia. Remember, evidence must be based upon verifiable fact, not conjecture.

    I will wait to see your evidence. If you cannot present it, get yourself a pin and prick your balloon, so as to get rid of the toxic hot air. ha ha

    Or as we used to say here in the South, in my youth, put up or shut up. Not an unreasonable request. I think I asked months ago for the same evidence from you and cannot recall you ever supplying it. Hopefully this time you will?
     
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    TRUMP HAS BEEN SET UP, FRAMED AND RELENTLESSLY PERSECUTED BY THE AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY
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    The frenzied furor and fomented outrage over President Donald Trump’s reluctance to express blind trust for our “intelligence community” defy reason and reality. In their choreographed cries of contempt for Mr. Trump, the “left’s” increasingly shrill proclamations of political apocalypse make “Chicken Little” look rational...

    Power is the only thing leftists worship, and they are unraveling in front of our eyes without it. They can’t control Mr. Trump. That alone drives them insane. They have no policies that work. Cities and states they control are criminal sanctuaries and bankrupt cesspools. Check out San Francisco, Portland and Chicago.

    Each of the president’s remarkable accomplishments — from unprecedented high employment, our booming economy and the tax cuts to his historic summit with Kim Jong-un — highlights their abject failures and serves to prick their narcissistic egos. The country is doing better without them every day. Even worse, they are desperate to keep their countless crimes and abuses covered up.

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/19/t...cuted-by-the-american-intelligence-community/
     
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    Referencing an opinion piece as your defence of partizan propaganda? Seriously?
     
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    Partizan propaganda ^^^ hence no rebuttal needed. Keep dodging.

    Can't refute anything in Grok's post, eh?

    The guilt and predictability in your deflection overfloweth...

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