Want to live 10 years longer?

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  1. Mamasaid

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    That is just so incorrect. part of the biochemical disease that is addiction is the fact that the user cannot necessarily choose to stop, even if they want to do so.
     
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    The source of addiction is not biochemical, it's emotional. You can treat the chemical, but that's bandaid stuff. The real problem is character.

    And it's absolutely not true that addicts cannot choose to stop. PLENTY do just that.
     
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    Completely, demonstrably false, and contrary to all available, empirical evidence. While addiction can be psychological (it can also be physical), even your psychology is simply an expression of biochemical processes.

    For instance, I can change your psychology using a few ounces of ethyl alcohol.

    Even emotions are just expressions 9f biochemical processes.
     
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    The end mechanics are chemical, but the cause is emotional/psychological.

    The individual has difficulty with impulse control, which is a product of poor parenting.
     
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    Demonstrably false. The cause of most chemical addiction is biochemical. Read up.
     
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    I was addicted to sugar. I used tons of the stuff. Then I was diagnosed with severe metabolic syndrome. I've had it my entire life. I was sick every morning of my life because I ate a high-carb breakfast. And I can remember this as far back as my memory goes; long before I started the sugar habit. The combination of toast, milk, OJ, Cream of Wheat or Oatmeal sent me into a LOW blood sugar crisis every day. I'd eat and very soon I would effectively overdose on insulin. It isn't adult onset or a result of my sugar habit. In fact my sugar addiction was a clue that helped with the diagnosis. I was treating my blood sugar condition by sipping sweet coffee all day. I was unknowingly treating a chemical imbalance. I release too much insulin and as a result would crave sugar.

    I treated the condition by going keto and minimizing insulin releases. And just like magic, I stopped craving sugar. It had nothing to do with emotions or a lack of self control. I was compensating for an unrecognized chemical imbalance.

    If I had continued to listen to people like you, I would probably be dead now.

    I went to two different doctors and they told me to eat less. They blamed it on choice. When I was down to eating almost nothing [I was actually developing an aversion to ALL food], I finally managed to get in with one of the nation's leading experts. And after a definitive test - when I passed out from a glucose tolerance test - he sent a scathing letter to the other doctors. He was visibly angry when I told him what the other doctors said.
     
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    your right, just like quitting smoking, drinking, even drugs, the person has to want to stop, one way you treat it is by education, teaching them about the process, the withdraws to expect, that there is another way, and it does get better, that their brain and body will fight them on this change, that it is not all in their mind

    agree, if parents ate better, had healthy activity levels, involved the children in both, did not do addictive things that were bad for their health, the children woudl learn from their examples, that is true - but education as adults can help those that did not get raised in that environment too

    like an addiction to cigarettes, alcohol, cocaine, ect... a sugar addicts body wants it's fix of sugar when they are coming down or the body\brain rebels, teaching them how to overcome this, why the body does this, learning how to change is key

    and you can't treat the sugar addiction if you are still eating lots of sugar and do not realize it. and think your eating healthy, understanding how insulin works, how carbs play a part in this, is helpful for a sugar addicts
     
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    I disagree, I think it has many health benefits and for many is a better option then the standard American diet the Government pushes

    one can live just fine on a keto diet and it is viable life option

    "Zach Bitter Is the 100-mile American Record Holder. He Also Eats Almost No Carbs."

    https://www.mensjournal.com/health-...an-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs
     
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    I think it depends on how well one's body can adjust. If it works for you, that's great.
     
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    I agree, it's not for everyone, for me it works, others genes may better process carbs then others, I do though think most American could do with eating a lot less sugar, even if not a keto diet
     
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    Glad it works for you. I'm on the seefood diet.

    I see food, and I eat it.

    In all seriousness, I have cut back on red meat. You can really feel your heart rate pound after days of eating red meat. Eating more chicken and salads.
     
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    my heart rate is lower then ever on keto, today my resting heartbeat is 65, but I think like some can't handle lactose, people can be allergic to a protein in red meat as well which can play a role

    red meat I eat once or twice a week, lot of eggs daily, fish, chicken couple times a week
     
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    Interesting. How long have you been on that diet?
     
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    I went low carb about 3 years ago, fully keto about a 6 months now, I was raised to fear fat, so it was hard for me to take that leap, but I am glad I did, wish I had done sooner

    I would guess my being low carb for a couple years before going keto made it easier for me to convert to burning fat then if one went from high carb straight to keto
     
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    What's your favorite meal since going keto?
     
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    spring salad greens, olive oil, red wine vinegar, feta cheese, oregeno, with some meat on top is one I really like

    I also like eggs, so that helps, 3 or 4 over easy eggs with broccoli with ghee butter is good, if I add bacon or sausage I reduce the eggs to 2

    if lazy I have a ketolent (now called Sated) shake, very good tasting, I do the vanilla naturally sweetened
     
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    Damn that does sound good.

    Given that I'm finally back in good shape, I want to eat healthier. During my most recent training, I ate horribly. I need more greens in my life.

    Do you ever make smoothies? I've heard good things about them
     
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    yep, added that to above post, I also eat more nuts then ever, walnuts and macadamia nuts my favorite (I buy by the pound), Avocado's a fav too

    I used to not like walnuts, my body craves them now, though I do not eat more then about 1 oz a day of nuts, but eat them almost every day

    if going out to eat, I often take a zip-lock bag of macadamia nuts with me, to add fat to the meal in case not enough fats, the baked ones, all other nuts I eat raw vs baked
     
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    6 years for me now. My blood pressure dropped over 20 points in a matter of months. I lost 70 pounds. My blood work is great. And I've added a bunch of muscle. People claim that low carb leads to low energy. I can work out harder than I have since I was 20.
     
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    I'm nuts for nuts. I add kale and spinach to everything I can and eat a lot of salad. As for favorites, try Champagne shrimp in a white cream butter sauce. OMG soooooooo incredibly tasty!!! But you do have to watch it. The sauce is insanely rich!
     
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    the thing that amazes me is you have constant energy, not during the first month as much, but after that, I often skip breakfast and eat my first meal at noon (another no no I was told growing up)

    I feel like the government lied to us, but to be fair, the government never thought people would replace fat with so much sugar, but that was the way many responded to the low fat recommendation, and the corps were more then happy to make the change as it was cheaper to add sugar then fat to products and people demanded it, the government envisioned people moving to more complex carbs while reducing fats and if your gonna eat higher carbs, reducing fat makes sense as the body wont be using fat for energy, so you only need what the body need to function, not the extra required for energy on top of it
     
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    You've given some great ideas here. Thanks for the tips.
     
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    they say even going on the keto diet for 3 to 4 weeks causes Mitochondrial bio-genesis as your body adapts to using fat vs carbs for fuel, so even if you return to your normal diet after that time, you have still improved your Mitochondria

    http://siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
     
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    Did you ever feel any side effects? Lack of energy...etc?
     
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    I did get dizzy\weak in beginning but added electrolytes (one or 2 a day), now I take one a day, I do salt my food, used to not use much salt

    you can also take keto BHB that first month and seems to help while your body is adapting, though pricey

    I used this one twice a day probably after the first week as did not know about BHB when started, I used ketologic bhb patriot pop, not the greatest tasting, but not bad - basically gives your body a quick dose of ketones, take in-between meals, once body up's it's production of it's own ketones do not need anymore, it's only 15 calories worth of ketones, not a lot, but helps the brain in beginning I think
     
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