Pope Declares Death Penalty Unacceptable in All Cases

Assuming you have enemies does this not imply that you deserve to die?

 

Anybody that wants to kill or rob you is an enemy who deserves to die.

It does not matter what their reasons are, nor whether they are good reasons or not.

Self preservation is the first principle of life on this Earth by all animals and even some plants too.

Jesus was wrong about loving your enemies -- unless he was specifically talking about the Jews loving the Romans because the Jews were doomed to be destroyed and scattered by the Romans anyway. And it did not matter what the Jews did. And by fighting back against the Romans in the Jews' case it only made matters worse for them.

 

Do you know the punishment for breaking that commandment? That's right, you get killed. Why people quote an Old Testament commandment about not killing when one doesn't even need to go one chapter without reading about God ordaining and sometimes even ordering killing is beyond me.

 

REMEMBER Boys and Girls,

Jesus plagiarized the Golden Rule from his favorite Rabbi.
Rabbi Hillel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillel_the_Elder#The_Golden_Rule

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At least life imprisonment is kept intact, keep them bad guys away from good guys.

 

So now the Pope is a communist. Do you ever have anything constructive to say on any subject? You would turn a discussion on French embroidery into a left versus right rant.

 

He has always been a communist since hs days in S America

 

Yeah we know about Francis, the bouncer. Got any proof that Benedict was a homo pedophile?

 

No proof just rumors.

 

Nah, the basics of the Golden Rule predate both Jesus and Rabbi Hillel. All you need is basic human cognitive dissonance.

 

Yup, about 50,000,000- 70,000,000. Among that group,one extremely important one- one of my grandfathers.

Pope is wrong but not a Commie.

 

I do not agree with the Pope. I am not falling in line. My religion and my politics are similar in that I think for myself. Neither the Pope nor the party ( no mater which one I was registered to) thinks for me.

 

The pope got this one right.

 

Your opinion sort of violates the law that there is one God. But then you have the Commandment Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ..... So are there multiple gods and are some gods more important or higher up the God chain than others. That is an open question for discussion.

 

Pedophiles, traitors, and Russian spies deserve the death penalty.

 

I do not see the Pope's position as Doctrine.

He did not issue a papal Bull either.

 

Do you really think for yourself
or is it an illusion similar to Free Will
the Lord created to keep you calmer.

Your script was written before you were born

 

There is no universal "Law" that I know of that states there can not be more than one God.

The ancient Israelite's believed in many Gods - a Divine Pantheon- they were only supposed to worship one because they were the chosen people of YHWH.. well .. they were not actually "chosen" by YHWH - The descendants of Jacob were the allotment given to YHWH by "EL".

The Jews did not adopt Strict Monotheism until after the Babylonian Captivity.

There are still remnants of these ancient beliefs in older Hebrew Bibles. Newer Hebrew Bibles and of course - English translations edited this stuff out - or just outright made changes.

Do read it all but at minimum go to P7 and look at the 3 translations of the same passage - 2 from older sources (a few hundred years BC) compared to the Masoretic Text (MT) done from roughly 700-900 AD
https://www.godawa.com/chronicles_o...s/Heiser-Deuteronomy_32.8_and_Sons_of_God.pdf

Then compare to a modern translation - the is nothing left of the original translation


This one is good as well.
http://www.jhsonline.org/Articles/article_144.pdf

Regardless - the God of Jesus and the God of the OT are so diametrically opposed to each other than it is absurd to call them the same.

 

Hmm. But if there were never a death penalty, wouldn't that mean that there would be no salvation for Catholics or anyone else because Jesus wouldn't have died?

 

I thought it was, "Thou shall not murder".

Edit : sorry, just read that's been mentioned and covered later in the thread.

 

No problem.
I jump in too without reading all the priors.
Besides, y'can bet @61falcon will remember the real commandment now.
Y'done him a service.

 

Where does he use such a qualifier. No longer pose a threat to the general public.
Because they are incarcerated they no longer pose a threat . . .

I read No Executions. No. None. Absolutely.


Moi

 

I don't really care what some guy in a robe pretending to be God says. I am FOR the death penalty. Too many are breathing our air that don't deserve that privilege. Like child molesters/murderers, for example.

 

Especially child molesters? Murderers can wait.

 

The whole subject is a can of worms.

My two reservations on the subject are -

1) When an innocent person could be executed

2) We can all make mistakes, some sort their lives out and move on to better things later in life. So which cases should/shouldn't warrant the death penalty?

The Japanese had a moment in their history of executing drug users and pushers by bullet to the head. It didn't eradicate the problem. Rodrigo Duterte is doing the same in the Philippines. One quote by Duterte I found interesting, "You might be concerned with Human Rights, I'm more concerned about Human Lives". This was aimed at the West due to the criticism he received and his concern over the lives of innocent people affected by the drug problem. I thought that was a good quote.

I'm sat right on the fence with this subject. I understand the cost to the tax payer for housing prisoners. I would be devestated to see one of my boys executed for a crime they didn't commit but was killed by the law.