Global Warming Beyond Natural Causes...

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  1. OldManOnFire

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    Geothermal.

    Part of the Siberia - Iceland geothermal system.

    Has anybody looked.

    I mean all that hand wringing and global warming blame over the Antarctic glacier melts
    then they find it's geothermal. Well geothermal is global warming of sorts :sniff:
     
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    https://www.businessinsider.com/antarctica-ice-melt-glaciers-ice-shelf-collapse-2018-6

    https://weather.com/science/nature/news/2017-11-08-antarctic-geothermal-heat-source

    Any geothermal activity in Antarctica, or any other location, have always been there and have little to do with accelerated ice melt today...
     
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    All geothermal, like volcanic activity must be very regular and constant all around the world! Just like earth quakes!

    But I do not deny that higher co2 can help speed up the natural climate change, which will happen with or without co2 levels increasing.

    I am more concerned with the pollution not related to co2 and the deforestation of rain forests. Which by the way should cause co2 to rise as well, as losing co2 extractors is a part of the cause effect paradigm. No one on the left seems concerned about that though. Only taxation on carbon. ha ha ha

    I do not know for sure, and neither do the scientists, what the long term effects will be. I just don't buy into the doomsday predictions is all. Reminds me too much of religion and their doomsday predictions. And will probably be as true as those from Revelations in the NT.
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yup.
    Must be.
    Don't need no learnin'
    'cause I know.


    How about that bridge in NYC.
    Good solid retirement investment.

    Must be :roflol:
     
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    You tell us. Have you looked to see if anyone has looked? Have you considered for even one fleeting second that the people who taught you all of that and dedicated their lives to these fields of science, just MIGHT have thought of that before you did?
     
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    That's quite the obtuse statement. In reality, scientists have a pretty good idea what adding formerly fixed carbon to our carbon cycle will do.
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read me now and believe me later
    it is tough finding anything on tectonic activity at the North Pole.
    Searches usually steer one to the South Pole and volcanic activity.

    What I did find was the northern border of the Eurasian Plate
    passes right under the North Pole to meet up with the North American Plate.

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    What their current activity is I do not know.
    Most search results get into the magnetic pole, Antarctica, and stuff.
    The hunt continues. Wanna help? Current activity of North American - Eurasian plates at North Pole.


    FLASH The North American Plate and the Eurasian plate are moving apart from one another creating a gap. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...p-Eurasia-North-American-tectonic-plates.html
     
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    Have you used google scholar?
     
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    No.
    Have you?



    Such gaps getting bigger does get around to releasing lava doesn't it.
    Or heat. Geothermal heat. Although not where this diver is swimming.
     
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    All the time

    Where do you think I get all the research papers I link to?
     
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    Apologies I did not realise you were a daily mail reader

    Google scholar might be too hard for you
     
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    Great.
    Maybe you can find something on the North American Plate, Eurasian Plate at the North Pole.
    Specifically anything relating to geothermal activity.
    I get gibberish when I try.
     
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    I don’t do other people’s homework for them

    Put scholar into google that will bring up google scholar then enter tectonic activity arctic
     
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    I did.
    And I was lucky to find anything on north pole plate tectonics.

    Aren't you part of this now you might lend your search talents and experience?
    Thank you
     
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    You have to be exact with your search
     
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    You could start here: https://www.usgs.gov

    That is the website for the US Geological Survey. That is a scientific society for geologists. Geologists are who are going to teach you about plate tectonics and who discovered and taught us everything we know about it.

    While you are there, you may spot the society's official endorsement of the scientific consensus. on man-made climate change.
     
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    Geothermal energy is derived from the Earth's mantle heat which means over time, like geological time, this heat source is quite constant. In some places this energy finds it's own way to Earth's surface while in other areas man will drill for it. In Antarctica surely there is volcanic activity and geothermal activity. While a single major volcanic eruption might cause very rapid ice melt, the geothermal activity has a little more consistency, and while it can melt ice is not a main contributor to ice melt...
     
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    Oh Please
    give us the benefit of your experience and not just advice.

    My research revealed there is a tectonic plate boundary pretty near under the North Pole.
    The Eurasian plate and the North American plate are separating creating a gap there at the North Pole.
    It is part of the same fault line that divides Iceland demonstrating gap creation can certainly release heat.

    How ejucated did you become by the above, anyone? Know it alls

    Anyone wanna jump in and see what there is about geothermal activity and the North Pole, please share. I did find it is reasonable to suspect it. Si?
    I can't find it except for one opinion we don't know enough about it. Gracias
     
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    Geothermal energy is also very low relative to other sources of heat. For example geothermal energy is about 0.1 W/m2 whereas solar radiation is 340 W/m2. Even a doubling of CO2 produces a forcing of 5.35 * ln(2) = 3.7 W/m2. So while geothermal is a constant steady and quantifiable source of heat it is completely dwarfed by other radiative forcing mechanisms.

    Edit: And not be forgotten, tidal frictional is another source of energy. This energy comes from the dissipation of angular momentum via tidal forces between the Earth and Moon causing stretching and bending and thus friction of land and oceans. The Earth absorbs about 3.75 TW of this energy and when divided by the the surface area this is equivalent to a very underwhelming 0.01 W/m2 or about 1/10th of the total geothermal energy most of which comes from radioactive decay.
     
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    And here I though we was discussin'
    Geothermal energy released to the surface.

    Shall we get to the core of the issue?
    That's where the real heat is created.

    Any news on Geothermal events by the North Pole where the Eurasian and North American tectonic plates are pulling apart just like fiery Iceland ?
     
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    No. The research of lifelong scientists, acting in concert across several fields of science, revealed that. These same scientists also endorse the consensus on climate change.
     
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    Mate I have been using google scholar for years and I know HOW to get results

    You found a plate bounbary

    Great

    Now find a paper that links this to global warming
     
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    I love it! Someone who is not even familiar with google scholar presumes to know more than than the scientists studying it
     

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