If you got one thing free every day what would it be???

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If you got one thing free every day what would it be???

  1. free food

    1 vote(s)
    2.3%
  2. free gas

    1 vote(s)
    2.3%
  3. free insurance

    2 vote(s)
    4.5%
  4. free healthcare

    7 vote(s)
    15.9%
  5. free housing

    8 vote(s)
    18.2%
  6. free education

    3 vote(s)
    6.8%
  7. free other

    22 vote(s)
    50.0%
  1. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely.
    I'm not going to work if you pay me that much for sitting on arse.
    Bring it on.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the supporters of such a program mean well, but its creators understand: its a tool to stagnate human developement.
     
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    Nihilism.
     
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    I earn about $2,000 per year -- I would give up all my income to protect everyone's right to food, housing, medical care.
     
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    Mental disabilities are very hard to prove. About 44 million people n USA have mental disability, including 10 million with severe mental disability.
     
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    That would be impossible. Unless a dollar becomes 3% of its present value.
     
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    Good poll. I'm going with housing, assuming quality is not an issue with that or any of the other choices. I can't think of anything more important. Food and water would rank up there with it. After that would have to come medical care and education, especially early education.
     
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    In the real world, when something is rendered "free" by government services, others get paid to facilitate that thing for everyone else, so no one loses. No farmer, carpenter or doctor is being forced to provide anything. All that changes is the organization and the method of financing.

    So, no need to start foaming at the mouth at the thought of something being free. It's only free in that people aren't being asked to pay an upfront price that might well be too high for many to afford at a given time.
     
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    I don't know what the point of this thread was but I'd be more concerned about income than free expenses.

    However, just to play along, it would be nice to afford a house without the expenses of property taxes and mortgage payments. That is pretty expensive in this area. Might go for around $700,000. Not a lot of people can afford that. (I know that's probably enough to buy a small mansion in other regions)
     
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    Free whiskey.
     
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    Could you elaborate please? If I pay taxes, and a portion of those taxes are distributed to someone else who did nothing to earn it, did I not in fact lose my ability to spend that money on my family?
     
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    That must be that 'new math' they teach these days. Yeah, money appears out of nowhere...
     
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    You're not even trying. We all know how government gets funding, and it is entirely beside the point, especially considering what I was responding to in the first place.
     
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    Or unless you win the lottery or fantasize while answering an internet forum poll question.
     
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    It is presicely the point. Anything the government promises to one for free, it must first confiscate by force from another.
     
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    I would give up your $2000 to pay my mortgage, too. Thanks. ;)
     
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    In fact, people ARE being "asked" to pay an upfront price, though under threat of imprisonment. And government officials get to keep part of the largesse as part of the new "organization and the method of financing." Think of that marble building as something like a casino. It didn't get built without someone losing.
     
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    You might want to read this article in today's WSJ

    What Went Wrong With Human Rights
    The conflation of ‘natural law’ with ‘positive law’ handed communism a philosophical victory after the end of the Cold War.

    When the U.S. withdrew in June from the United Nations Human Rights Council, Ambassador Nikki Haley described the council as “a protector of human-rights abusers, and a cesspool of political bias.” Aaron Rhodes agrees but thinks Ms. Haley was too gentle.

    “The Human Rights Council has become a cover for dictatorships,” he says. “They assume the high moral ground of standing for ‘dialogue’ and ‘cooperation,’ a tactic for smothering the truth about denying freedom. Raising human-rights concerns is dismissed as divisive and confrontational, and a threat to ‘stability.’ Most of the debate there is technocratic blah-blah about global social policy—not about human rights at all.”.......

    In 1944 FDR exhorted Congress to enact a “Second Bill of Rights,” all positive—including the rights to “a useful and remunerative job,” “a decent home,” “adequate medical care” and “a good education.” Four years later his widow, Eleanor, chaired the committee that drafted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which reads like a mashup of America’s real Bill of Rights and FDR’s aspirational second one. “They tried to have it both ways,” Mr. Rhodes says, by acknowledging that positive rights are “not the same as civil and political rights” while also insisting “they’re human rights.”

    Mr. Rhodes is careful to add that he doesn’t intend his argument “as an attack on welfare states, or even on socialism.” Those arrangements are fine by him as long as they are chosen freely and democratically. What, then, is wrong with an expansive concept of human rights? For one thing, it leads to a kind of inflation that devalues natural rights. “The European Union, and its Charter of Fundamental Rights, says that the right to have free employment counseling is a human right,” he notes. That “equates something as banal as employment counseling with something like the right to be free from torture, or the right to be free from slavery.”
    The corollary is that abolishing torture and slavery—or protecting the freedoms enumerated in America’s Bill of Rights—is no more important than employment counseling. Which brings us back to the U.N. Human Rights Council. Mr. Rhodes describes it as “controlled” by “Islamic theocracies” and “heavily under the influence of China.” Those unfree countries “are forming a human-rights vision of their own,” he says. “It’s human rights without freedom. It’s human rights based on economic and social rights, where freedoms are restricted in the interest of ‘peace’ and ‘stability’ and power—their power.”......
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-went-wrong-with-human-rights-1534544962
     
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    OK what exactly does "a right too" mean. I have a right to own a gun. Does that mean if I do not have one my rights are being violated?
     
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    Ammunition
     
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    Indeed.
    They do not, however, have a right to have these things paid for by someone else.
     
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    Oxygen is TOTALLY worth having. :)
     
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    And yet not free. The money spent on the environment. The trade made when we inhale oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide. Their are many costs involved in the very act of breathing. Not to mention the struggle just to keep doing it in a hostile world.
     
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    In every society, all people have to pay taxes. In my opinion, millionaires and billionaires should pay much higher taxes.
     
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    These rights would be great.
     

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