Nazi labor camp guard caught by ICE, deported to Germany, completing 'difficult task,' Grenell says

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  1. Wild Horses

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    Yeah I heard Trump shills get to do that. Just can't lower myself to that level.
     
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    Catching him? We’ve known where he is for nearly 20 years.
     
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    Well you can always lord over us with how educated you are. As a group, of course.
     
  4. US Conservative

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    And Trump got him extradited.
     
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    And??
     
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    No, the new German government got him extradited.
     
  7. Stonewall Jackson

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    After The President made it a priority and negotiated the deal with the German government..........something the Obama administration was incapable of or unwilling to do for 8 years.......
     
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    The German government was unwilling to take him previously. Should Obama have bombed Germany until they agreed?
     
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    So hiding Nazi's should have a sanctuary city here in America so they can't be deported?
     
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    He should have be forceful without prejudice.
     
  11. Stonewall Jackson

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    What changed their minds after so many years during the first 18 months of the Trump administration???
     
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    If you feel that way... I'd prefer actual Nazis be executed or deported myself..
     
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    That was a "?" at the end of my sentence, did ya miss it? So what's your complaint here why are you complaining about ICE arresting him and deporting him?
     
  14. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    The Nazis running the concentration camps were stupid. Once it became apparent that they couldn't stop the Allies from invading Germany they should have simply killed all of the inmates in a day and then been done with it. Instead they waited until the Allies rolled up to the front gates and then surrendered.

    The worse duty you can get in any war is to be a concentration camp guard. If your side loses you will be one of the people tried as a war criminal. That's what happened to the Andersonville camp commander in the Civil War. He was hanged while all of the other traitors got off scott free.
     
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    Camp managers? Yes. Camp guards? Ehhhhh. What's next? Farmers who knowingly supplied camp officers with food?

    There is no legitimate law to charge these people under. All charges were imagined up after the fact. I agree with Churchill, take them out behind the chemical sheds and shoot them in the back of the head into a ditch, don't drag the rule of law through the mud.
     
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  16. US Conservative

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    Sorry your nazi lost.

    You could make a strong argument and convince me that a guard who saw this all day everyday isnt guilty, with neat citations to back your argument.

    But I expect you to continue the absurd reduction.

    Rhetoric probably works in your circles.
     
  17. Steady Pie

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    Guilty of what crime?

    As I said, he should be taken behind the chemical sheds and shot into a mass grave without a trial. How does that make him "my Nazi"?
     
  18. US Conservative

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    Obama did what others told him to.

    1. Agreed?
     
  19. US Conservative

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    FEDERAL JUDGE STRIPS NEW YORK CITY MAN OF CITIZENSHIP
    FOR ROLE IN WARTIME NAZI PERSECUTION OF JEWS



    WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Christopher A. Wray, Acting Assistant Attorney General in charge of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division, announced that a federal judge in Brooklyn, N.Y., today revoked the citizenship of a Queens resident on the basis of his service as an armed guard at an SS slave-labor camp in Nazi-occupied Poland and his concealment of that service when he immigrated to the United States. The denaturalization decision issued today by U.S. District Judge Allyne Ross cited admissions and other evidence proving that Jakiw Palij, 79, served during 1943 as an armed guard at the notorious Trawniki Labor Camp, which the court found was created “[t]o further the exploitation of Jewish labor.”“By guarding the prisoners held under inhumane conditions at Trawniki, Jakiw Palij prevented their escape and directly contributed to their eventual slaughter at the hands of the Nazis,” said Roslynn R. Mauskopf, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York.

    “The ruling today affirms that no individual who assisted in the perpetration of Nazi genocide deserves the precious mantle of United States citizenship,” said Eli M. Rosenbaum, director of the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations (OSI), which investigated Palij and, along with the U.S. Attorney's Office in Brooklyn, prosecuted the case against him.

    In her 25-page decision, Judge Ross found that Palij trained for Nazi service at the SS-run Trawniki Training Camp, in the Lublin District of Poland. She noted that the men who trained at the camp were prepared for service “as guards for duty at other concentration camps, ghettos, and labor camps,” in furtherance of “Operation Reinhard,” the Nazi campaign to annihilate Jews in Poland, a conspiracy that “resulted in the murder of 1.7 million Jews.” Adjacent to the training facility was the Trawniki Labor Camp, which was guarded by the men in training and others.

    Judge Ross noted that on November 3 and 4, 1943, “in a brutal spate of killing,” other units “slaughtered Trawniki’s entire inmate population” of some 6,000 Jewish civilians, as part of an SS operation code-named “Operation Harvest Festival.” The court’s decision quoted historical scholarship establishing that the operation, “with the victim total of 42,000, has the ignoble distinction of having been ‘the single largest German killing operation against Jews in the entire war.’”Judge Ross also found that, by March 1944, Palij was serving in the Deployment Company, a unit that perpetrated numerous atrocities against Polish civilians and others. When Palij applied for an immigration visa to the United States in 1949, the judge held, he falsely claimed that he worked on his father’s farm and then in Germany during the period when he was actually in Nazi service.

    The proceedings to denaturalize Palij are a result of OSI's ongoing efforts to identify, investigate, and take legal action against former participants in Nazi persecution who reside in the United States. Seventy-two individuals who assisted in Nazi persecution have been stripped of U.S. citizenship, and 57 such persons have been removed from the United States since OSI began operations in 1979. In addition, more than 160 individuals who sought to enter the United States in recent years have been blocked from doing so as a result of OSI's “Watch List” program.

    https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2003/July/03_crm_438.htm

    Do you object, lefty?

    42K murdered.

    Get right back to us.
     
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    Not complaining about ICE doing what seems to be a VERY easy example of doing their basic job.... Just complaining about the completely obvious attempt by Trump and others to overinflate their role here, in 'capturing' a known very old scumbag at his known location, like he was some dangerous active terrorist.

    Fools nobody with half a brain.
     
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    I think you should look a little deeper into the story before jumping to the same "don't like Trump" square.

    Apparently, the big challenge in removing people like this Nazi guy, is getting the governments in their "homeland" to take them back.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-before-trump-came-along-former-director-says

    When Richard Grenell came on earlier this year as U.S. ambassador to Germany, Trump instructed him to make the Palij deportation happen, Grenell said Tuesday.

    "I've got to give the president, Trump, a lot of credit here. He talked about in this his campaign. He talked about once he got in office about this. There were 22 or 23 of them that weren't accept their nationals back, even after being ordered removed by a federal judge here," Homan said about countries who were not repatriating deported people from America.

    "This president took the bull by the horns on this issue. I've got to give him a lot of credit. He's held DHS on this," he added.

    Currently, nine countries — down from 22 — will not take back repatriated citizens. The State Department has imposed visa sanctions against six of those nine remaining countries.​


    ICE, the State Department, and the Executive Branch all played a role.

    The former administration did little to fix this problem, so why shouldn't the current administration take a victory lap?
     
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    My parents were inmates of Forced Labor camps, those are one step down from killing concentration camps. The women's barracks were near the main gate so my mom met the first American armored car at the gate. This fact was confirmed by several of their friends who were in that camp and who immigrated to the same town as my folks did. She did not speak English but she knew that the white star meant Good Guys not Red Star Bad Guys aka Russians. An American officer who spoke Polish came to the gate and since my mom speaks Ukrainian and basic basic conversational Polish was able to tell the Americans that most of the guards ran away a day or so before. The female friends of my parents loved telling that story just to needle the men, of the day that Miss Partizanka was the only brave one to go to gate to find out if it friends or Russians there.
     
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    Dude, I'm capable of reading an OP... and you basically agree with me with your sentence in bold above... This wasn't an ICE production due to the difficult diplomatic negotiations...
     
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    And the German government at the time was unwilling. There’s a new German government now.
     
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    There was no mention in the OP that Germany, and other countries for that matter, had been refusing to take back these criminal citizens.

    That was the point. ICE, according to former director Thomas Homan, had been thwarted in their efforts by the lack of action on the part of previous administrations to address these refusals.

    Without ICE pushing for action, this wouldn't have taken place. At least that's the message I'm reading.
     

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