Fad Or The Future? Robot-Made Burgers Wow The Crowds In San Francisco

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  1. Mac-7

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    I like to read common sense when I can find it
     
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    Do you have an example of a technologically advanced society that is also wealthy and socialist?

    This is usually the point in the conversation where Venezuela comes up. :roflol:
     
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    If robots are inevitable lets make sure America designs and manufactures its own robots and uses them in factories in America that compete with china
     
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    Where did I imply assistance is a life time of income? Why would you ask such a question? I even know what assistance is. So there was no need to ask the question.
    But, if robots will affect every industry, at some point every industry worker will need retraining. And until other labor jobs open up that the robots take away, the displaced workers will need assistance. This doesn't happen, mostly, in a few months.
    Heck the NAFTA agreement took over 20 yrs before the loss higher wage jobs to lower wage jobs filtered it's way through the economy.

    It puts a floor on labor.
    I guess that's why the Mexico agreement wants $16/hr.
     
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    How about this woman?

     
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    Yeah, AIRPMP "artificially intelligent robotic principle means of production," I've known all along "liberals" would create robots to turn us into socialists and commies. I realized it when I wanted to get in the Navy's VAST program. "Liberals" are EVIL!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-causing-unemployment.247872/#post-1061234978

    On the bright side, they need less housing for poor people in San Francisco now.
     
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    Your post that talks about nearly 100% on assistance.... that's not assistance, that's planned dependency. Calling it 'assistance' is a serious misnomer, hence my question.

    When a person is only capable of one thing, specifically one thing and one thing only, who causes that, and why?

    Do you think that one day a particular job will exist, and the next day, be 100% staffed with robots? Any human with two brain cells to rub together, will foresee the demise of their job, and plan accordingly. But from what I am seeing in your posts and others, that people will have lost all common sense and need government assistance for 'retraining' - shall we say, resembling a drone based society?

    I'm glad I'll be pushing up daisies when that time comes, because humanity as we know it would be long gone.
     
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    Depends on your definition of socialist. The US and Germany comes to mind. 30% of the US economy goes to the government. In Germany it is above 40%.
     
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    You're..... you're being facetious here, right?...

    If we're able to support the current population now,
    why on earth would/should automation, i.e. technology which gives us the capability to produce more goods and services with less human effort,
    somehow lead to us suddenly becoming incapable of supporting the current population level??? Makes no sense.
    More goods and services means we can't support as many people??? Why?

    -Meta
     
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    If you think its neat and actually want to get there, you should consider how to achieve it.
    I'm not saying plot out every single detail about the path forward, the various minutia,...
    just have a general sense, a high level understanding of how we get from A to B.

    -Meta
     
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    The problem with your thought process is you think tariffs are anti-trade.

    Meanwhile everytime we slap a new tariff on someone, they bend over backwards to work out a new trade deal.

    If anything, the tariffs have done more to open up trade than anything that has happened over the last presidency.

    But you already knew that.
     
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    You said you wished you wouldn't be alive to see it. You even went further and said you wished your decedents wouldn't be alive to see it either.
    I took that to mean that you were afraid of what it would be like. Though I'm still not so sure on what the it is specifically that you don't want to see.

    Again,... is it the mass automation-induced job-loss itself?
    Is it people getting education and training to be prepared despite automation?
    Is it worker-owned corporations? Workers owning company stock? Workers being hired to fix/build infrastructure?
    Is it some combination of the above? What is it specifically that you do not wish for you and or your descendants to see???
    And why exactly would you wish such a thing?

    How does this tie back to what you were replying to?
    Are you suggesting that automation, education, training, infrastructure hiring,
    and or worker owned corps leads to a lack of freedom and the prevention of meritocracy?
    Please explain.

    -Meta
     
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    Tell me how you would attempt to achieve it first, and then I can let you know whether or not I think your plan makes any sense.

    -Meta
     
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    Well, It's a little bit facetious and a little bit of the future I see where the government does nothing and the growing numbers of poor come to resemble an infestation of rats.
     
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    What about that woman?
     
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    It's why I made an attempt to clarify.
    If every industry will be affected by robots, no reason to think that all will be affected, then near 100% of workers will need assistance. Not that all the workers will need 100% assistance for the rest of their lives.
     
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    Short version: Dependency on the government is not how I was raised, how my descendants were raised, nor my extended family. What several of the spots you've put forth are clearly designed to increase dependency on the government.

    I don't want to be around, and likely won't be, to see society, and America especially, reduced to waiting for their lives to be designed, and corralled, by the/any government.

    Some companies are already worker owned.* (voluntarily, and in part) but that is the choice of the company, not mandated and required by the ubiquitous "government'.

    Clear enough?
     
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    Don't know if that will ever happen.
    But as you said, in a thousand years of so, we won't be around.

    So no need to even worry about such a thing.
     
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    You contradict yourself within the same sentence, twice?
    If every industry will be affected by robots (initial statement)
    no reason to think that all will be affected (contradiction 1)
    Then near 100% of workers will need assistance (contradiction 2)

    I understand the content of your last sentence, but it's not supporting anything in the first sentence.
     
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    Regardless of the job, when robotics become cheaper than paying humans, robotics will take over. The human work is becoming obsolete.
     
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    OK, you're right, I left out the not.
    So I give up.

    When texting, and the fingers don't work right, and it takes more than 2 attempts to make a point. I make a phone call.
    I can't do that on this site.

    Lets just say, I am not saying near 100% of the people will need 100% assistance for the rest of their lives.
    Just for the retraining portion.
     
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    Odds are she was a welfare baby herself

    Welfare is not only a lifetime addiction for some but often multigenerational also
     
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    Odds are?
    Well there you have it, Mac-7 says odds are about someone he has no clue about.
     
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    She is giving us plenty of clues
     
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    Neither the United States nor Germany got technologically advanced or wealthy because of socialism. Capitalism and Pro Market Reform.

    So why would countries be moving towards a political system that has proven to be unsustainable? My best guess would because people don't really understand what it is and it sounds like a good idea. Simplistic answer but it's a best guess.
     
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