Border Patrol Agent Supervisor Mass Murderer,Arrested.

I already explained that the math clearly shows they are more violent.

Pick any violent crime you want.

Now you may not understand the math, but that's another problem.

 

Does your math show that white people are not violent?

 

A rather large portion of Texas CITIZENS have Hispanic surnames and ethnicity.

 

No it shows they're 2-4 times less violent though, depending on the violent crime in question.

 

I seem to recall a recent thread(now locked) "Illegal Alien Driving Drunk, Kills Couple, 3 Kids Orphaned"
where all the right wingers here were claiming the incident was typical behavior for illegal aliens.

Now we have an American citizen in a law enforcement agency who turns out to be a serial killer.

According the the standards set by the right, we are now entitled to broadly classify the Border patrol(and by extension, ICE) as a bunch of thugs and murderers.

 

Yeah but you already did that before this happened.

 

It's important to you that black people are more violent than white people I see. I get that.

Do you think that instead of violence being attributable to someone's race, there could be another factor which is connected to both race and violence that might be driving violent behavior?

 

Post a link to support your statement, or you're a liar.

 

Are you saying ICE hasn't been branded as thugs? What's the "abolish ICE" movement about then?

Do 10 jumping jacks or you're a liar.

 

It's important to you to ignore reality and call math racist, I get that.

Why is a different question and a more complex one.

When you're struggling with %'s and facts I have no confidence in debating things that are more complicated with you.

 

Logic determines how math is used. Let's suppose correlation is not causation.

Is it possible that violence is not attributable to race, but to another factor that also tends to be correlated with race?

 

Facts are facts.

You're struggling with that part.

That tells me that any conclusion your logic leads you to will substandard.

I'm not going to debate the reason for the facts when you don't agree with the base level facts themselves.

 

You're content to say that violent behavior is attributable to someone's race and nothing else?

Let's try this. The state with the highest crime rate in the nation is New Mexico. By the right-wing hypothesis that violent behavior is determined by how race New Mexico should have the highest number of black people in the nation. And yet there are only 6 states with less.

I have a hypothesis as to why New Mexico has a higher crime rate, that is pretty well borne out by statistics. Can you guess what my hypothesis is?

 

I didn't say that either.

I said they commit 52.6% of the murder, and 2-4 times the rate of any other group.

You can keep trying to make false accusations against me, it's not going to work. It's either that, or your comprehension is failing.

Like I said, you clearly have problems with more complicated things when you can't get the basics right.

NM violent crime reason is here:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...w-mexico-crime-rates-propelled-by-albuquerque

Albuquerque Police Chief Gorden Eden said the recent spike was in part due to the case management order that went into effect in 2015. The state Supreme Court order that only affected the Albuquerque area aimed to reduce the population in jail by moving cases through the courts more quickly.


"With the case management order we started to see cases being dismissed by the District Attorney's office and started to see the jail population decrease," Eden said. "Quite frankly, what I think happened is there were just too many decisions being made in the criminal justice system and that has created a real perfect storm for our state and for the 2nd judicial district."

When your state finds a compound full of Islamic terrorists training school shooters and lets them go, you're probably going to have high rates of crime.

More Democrat policies causing high crime.

What was that I said earlier about putting violent people in jail instead of back on the streets?

 

That doesn't explain why the amount of crime doesn't correlate with the number of black residents. It does correlate with some other statistics. No interest at all in what might be to blame for violent behavior other than the amount of melanin in someone's body?

C'mon! Take a guess, I'll bet you get it right first try.

 

Well the answer is because black people aren't the only people who commit crimes.

Albuquerque of course is 40% hispanic.

I already explained to you what is causing the crime in NM. Almost half of the states violence is in Democrat controlled Albuquerque.

In a nutshell the Democrat policies:

https://www.abqjournal.com/1068983/fbi-crimes-increase-sharply-in-albuquerque-in-2016.html?utm_source=abqjournal.com&utm_medium=abqjournal oembed|1068983&utm_campaign=abqjournal oembed

He points to offenders who have been repeatedly arrested by police and let out of jail as the biggest driver of crime.

Of course it's an easy guess:

Democrat controlled cities are the most violent places in the US.

 

Right wingers should be the first ones to complain about government and how it needs to be taken off of people's backs just like their hero Reagan said.

 

Ortiz - Amish name?


Same could be said about George Zimmerman.

 

As far as people on the right are concerned, it's still a matter of race. Criminal behavior is the result of black people, or hispanic people. Couldn't be anything else.

I tell you what, I bet you get it on your second try.

 

It's the result of those who commit the crime, and those who let them out of jail.

All of these are areas Democrats excel in.

I mean you can keep pretending that they don't commit 2-4 times the violent crime of anyone else. It's not going to make reality go away just because it hurts your feelings.

 

Poverty and education. When you control for these, white people and black people are just as violent and commit just as many crimes as black people (both more than hispanics). It just so happens that in this country, people who are black or hispanic are far more likely to live in poverty, and people in poverty are far more likely to turn to crime.

New Mexico is the state with the most crime and the state with the second highest number of people in poverty, and toward the bottom for education.

Other states with high crime rates (and poverty ranking)? Florida (37), Nevada (29), South Carolina (40), Louisiana (49), Tennessee (41). Lowest crime rates? Vermont(14), New Hampshire (1), North Dakota(5), Maine(22), South Dakota(23).

That's a pretty clear correlation. But we can look bigger. The United States has a much higher poverty rate, and crime rate than Canada. As poverty increases, crime tends to increase with it.

 

Yeah except that's not true.

Appalachia and other poor, uneducated areas do not have the violent crime rates of other areas.

Crime causes poverty, not the other way around.

Detroit, for example, was a rich prosperous place until the crime came.

Ironically, your "lowest crime rate" states just listed 5 of the whitest states in the union.

Also, one must be careful to differentiate between petty crimes and violent crimes.

Poverty might make you steal a loaf of bread, but it doesn't make you murder people.

 

How do you figure crime causes poverty?

It also coincided with the decline of the American auto industry.

I'm from Detroit, my father moved here to work in the auto industry. Jobs were cut in favor of automation in the 50s and 60s. Crime started in the 70s, and took hold in the 80s.

Not ironically. They're also wealthy.

New Mexico is #50 for violent crime. #49 for non-violent.

Actually it turns you to using illegal means to make money. Primarily drugs. This is just as true in rural New Mexico as inner city Chicago.

But if it's easier on your ideology to blame violent and criminal behavior on race, I can't stop you.

Hope you're watching @Spooky .

 

Again with talking about "crime". I'm taking about "violent crime".

Being poor doesn't make one rape or murder people. Having no conscience or morals does.

https://www.cbsnews.com/media/americas-11-poorest-cities/7/

Boston has a high poverty rate, and it's murder rate is nothing compared to Baltimore.

Percentage of incomes in Boston below $25k is 31%. In Baltimore its 33%.

Yet the violent crime rate in Boston is 5.7.

In Baltimore, it's 57.8.

 

Which brings us to factor 2 (remember?). Education. Boston has a very high education rate. Almost 40% of the population has a 4-year degree. Boston has a high poverty rate because of a massive wealth gap. A lot of very wealthy people drive that poverty line up and up. Baltimore is much lower at 28%.

By the way, New Mexico is ranked 48 in terms of most educated states.

And yet Anchorage (lowest number of 4 year degrees in the nation) has a crime rate of 60.4. And almost no black people!