Trump administration sees a 7-degree rise in global temperatures by 2100

You forgot the “yet”

And they have started happening. Just not the big stuff................yet

 

What people?

 

That is really a terrible attempt at a bait and switch. The scientific knowledge in these physical sciences is empirical. What a terrible comparison . You're making this pretty easy.

 

Hmm, no, not really. Subsidizing alt energy research requires taxes. Enforcing policy and law requires taxes.

We will have to admit to ourselves that any solution will require governments.

 

I agree. But, of the two of us, you are the only one blurring the line between them.

 

They don't,in general. No, presenting a few examples (all of which are bullsh1t, but I won't go into that) does not cast doubt on the entire, global scientific community and the mountains of mutually supportive evidence . Only an untrained mind would make the error of thinking it does.

 

I remember when Gore said NYC would be underwater by the 2010s.

Climate change people are just like the people predicting the return of Jesus...

If they're wrong, well, it just hadn't happened YET.

 

Can you point me to a prediction that has wide acceptance by the scientific community that you would say is wrong?

 

Fascinating. Remind me again, how many scientific papers has Al Gore published? how many IPCC panels has Al Gore sat on? How many climate modeling systems has Al Gore engineered?

None, of course. So you really aren't speaking to the science, now are you?

 

Here are some...
http://www.aei.org/publication/18-s...irst-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year/

 

Maybe you didn't know, but Al Gore is not climate scientist. He's a politician.

 

No, not a single one of those is an example of what he asked for.

 

Yes, they are.

 

Of the 18 items listed only #18 is related to climate change. And it only pertains to the myth that scientists thought an ice age was eminent in the 1970's. See the following publication for information related to this myth which was manufactured by the media.

THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS

The bottom 3 items are weather/climate related, but none of them can be used to draw conclusions about global warming either way.

Again, I ask, can you show me a prediction of the global mean surface temperature that is widely accepted by the scientific community which you feel is wrong?

 

Sorry, but no, they are not. I think you should maybe re-read his post more carefully, and then actually read the article you linked, which you clearly did not read.

 

This is the crowd that blames all weather on man-made global warming, whether a blizzard in winter, a heat wave in summer, or a hurricane in August.

 

You forgot about the 1970's, global freezing was the rage of the 70's.

If you denied global freezing you were a square, not groovy, part of the establishment, you were the man.

 

First, the Earth did not even have an atmosphere for 4.6 billion years. Second, climate change in the past occurred for a reason just like it does today. Greenhouse gases were influential component in the past just like they are today. Remember, man made CO2 molecules act exactly like nature made CO2 molecules. They do not, in fact, have some a magical physic defying property.

 

This entire line of objection is absurd anyway. It is unqualified and unbounded, and it essentially amounts to this:

"Science has been wrong before, therefore science cannot be trusted."

Clearly this is absurd on just about every level. But it also renders the speaker of it either a dishonest actor or a ridiculous person. If he doesn't truly live by this and doesn't use this unbounded caveat to distrust all science, he is a dishonest actor to apply it only to this science, as his true objections are clearly obfuscated and this bit of specious garbage presented instead as a dishonest rhetorical substitute. (In this case, he objects to accepted climate science because of politics or superstition, but presents this argument as a red herring, knowing his superstitious and political assertions are not good arguments against strong science)

Or, he actually applies this specious nugget to all science, and sticks forks in toasters, jumps off of his roof thinking he might, one day, fall up....

Either way, this specious and self- defeating argument is bizarre at its core and dishonest in practice.

 

The scientific community does not blame all weather on global warming. The media does. Stop getting your science from the media. I recommend the IPCC AR5 report which is the culmination of 30,000+ lines of evidence reviewed by 3,500+ expert scientists to produce a nearly 5,000 page summary of the issue. It's not meant to be a detailed explanation of climate change, but is a pretty good introduction that is pretty representative of the scientific consensus.

http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/

 

Mother Earth had an atmosphere of some type most of its life...
http://teachertech.rice.edu/Participants/louviere/history.html

 

THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS

At no time has the scientific consensus ever thought global freezing would occur in the near future.

 

There have been failed predictions in all of science. The predicted value of the cosmological constant was probably the most embarrassing wrong prediction in the last 50 years in all of science. That doesn't mean the universe isn't expanding.

 

Right, that is utterly made up nonsense. And here in this thread we see the return on the investment that corporations have made in spreading doubt about climate science.

https://grist.org/politics/the-right-wing-climate-denial-machine-is-churning-faster-than-ever/

 

Good point. Between General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics the disagreement between the two is 120 orders of magnitude. It is considered to be "the worst prediction in all of science". Yet, no one is seriously suggesting that GR or QM are wrong because of it.

It's the same with climate change theory. It's not perfect and there have been predictions that have turned out to be wrong. But, that doesn't mean the Earth isn't warming and that humans aren't responsible.