How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

Yet another Forum where the abortion issue is such an easy bit of flint to ignite discussion. So easy. In no place has it ever been put to rest, and in no place have I seen an original argument which has changed an opponent's point of view. All I see is the same old same old. You are rusted on, one way or the other, and ne're the twain shall meet.

 

Yes, and those people are totally incapable of mounting a MORAL argument as to how it ISN'T a life!

And there's the LEGAL argument which isn't an argument! Even I agree that it is legal! I have no choice!

Of course and I'm saying that women are dependent on this, but they shouldn't just EXPECT it. If the government stopped making the procedure available tomorrow because it decided that it no longer wants to be involved in the killing of fetuses, why should women complain about that? Wouldn't they be forced to live a different lifestyle? And would they be incapable of changing?

Dying in war is PART OF WAR!

I agree that this can motivate war. Military Industrial Complex and all that.

Uh, yeah. You've just described how war works.

Alright, then its ALL of the above. I don't see how that helps your argument.

Because pregnant women aren't fighting in a war, engaged in combat defending themselves from an enemy intent on killing them. That might have something to do with it.

There was MANY questions in that post that you didn't respond to!

How can you be sure that someone hasn't replied to you and you haven't received an alert? And how do you know what is true for other posters? I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt to explain why you didn't reply to that post. I swear you just didn't get an alert - this software platform is not perfect, so that makes the most sense.

If there's one thing that you are good at, it is replying! I can't think of another post of mine that you didn't reply to! And I would be VERY surprised if you haven't previously thought of any of my posts as, in your words, "too silly, too boring, too repetitive or I just plain don't want to answer!"

 

Yeah, too right. You must think I'm an idiot for my efforts above and above your post! I don't know why I bother!

 

Of course they can! I was just making the point that she has to involve other people who are not responsible for her getting pregnant.

 

Wrong! You do have a choice, and so do others. You simply wish to deny others the freedom/liberty/right to make their own choice.

 

Not at all. All I am saying is that I have read this pointless discussion so many times and I have never seen anyone move from their entranched position. I'll bet pounds to peanuts this is not the first Thread by far here.

The better point is....was Kavanaugh deliberately put there to upset status quo or in legal terms, stare decisis?

 

Common sense says it's a fact....but since that doesn't seem to work here I'll try again.

There doesn't need to be a law stating that since we have the Constitution which gives us the right to bodily autonomy.

There is no law that say you can opt out of chemo for your cancer but you can, it's YOUR body. No one can force you to have chemo.

What some people may believe should have no affect on the fact that we all own our own bodies.

It IS just her body, no one else is pregnant, just her.

No, that's no different....and here is where some might start screaming, "You think a fetus is no different than a tumor"

It isn't by the fact that it is in HER body, part of her...no woman becomes property of the state because she became pregnant....or has a tumor.

There's a problem with those who just can't accept facts..

 

So what? Morals don't apply to law making.. "Morals" vary from person to person so really aren't a reliable or practical way to make laws.

OH!? How does it feel to have NO CHOICE ?

Women shouldn't EXPECT to have legal medical procedures like everyone else??!! WTF? Have you, in your mind, already made them less than full citizens?

You ask Why should women complain about not having the same rights as everyone else ? WOW! Sorry, if you don't understand that I will never be able to explain it to you

The POINT was that we kill all the time when someone else is INCONVENIENT.

Another poster implied that women had abortions just for convenience..and they do….just like when countries find other countries "inconvenient" and go to war

Now you're going off on another unrelated tangent but I'll try to explain.


The POINT was that we kill all the time when someone else is INCONVENIENT.

Another poster implied that women had abortions just for convenience..and they do….just like when countries find other countries "inconvenient" and go to war.


BTW, one doesn't need to be in a war to use self defense....where did you get the idea they do???

 

Which isn't much of a point at all....(shrug)

 

Yes, the title of this thread is quite silly.


But I have learned a lot from some of the posters in here and even if I haven't changed more than one poster (who admitted it) it's worth honing my skills at defending women's right to their own bodies and learning how many people are against that.

That encouraged me to contact all my political representatives quite a bit to let them know how I feel...that might not help either but at least I'm actively fighting the effort to make slaves of half the population.

 

How is abortion different in the case of rape?

Most abortions, whether from consensual sex or rape are exactly the same procedure and outcome.

Why an exception for rape? Won't a "a new living Human Being will be born " ??????

 

The "its the law" argument is dumb and dumber. 1) it commits the appeal to authority fallacy (the political clown show that made the law were not authorities were not subject matter experts to begin with but, even if they were they still needed to provide the "why" - why the claim that a single human cell (zygote) = a living human is true - and they simply did not do this.

There are five scientific perspectives on "when human life begins" Genetic, Metabolic, Embryological, Neurological,Ecological. Only one puts "the beginning" at conception (Genetic) and this perspective has fallen out of favor among scientists due to recent scientific findings.

Regardless - not only would these clowns need to provide "the why" - they would have to refute the 4 perspectives that contradict their claim.

Now showing conclusively that conception is the beginning of "human life" still does not prove a living human exists at this stage in the game. Note the descriptive adjective use of the word human vs the noun. A sperm is "human life" as is every other human cell.

These political clowns did not even get into the arguments .. they just made a law.

Hitler made a law that claimed the Jews were subhuman. This does not prove his claim correct.

 

What do you think?

 

No idea. I am a very large ocean away from the USA.

 

Who is "they?"

 

Actually, we both are in the same country.

 

No, I don't have a choice to believe whether or not abortion is illegal in the US, as it is not illegal.

If I believe that people should not be allowed to murder, does that mean that I "wish to deny others the freedom/liberty/right to make their own choice?"

 

Oops! But I stil dunno why they put a liar like Bart on SCOTUS. I do know and detest that it was 100% political.

 

He may be a liar, but the democrats obviously didn't care about any lies that he told, otherwise, logically, they would have mentioned it.

 

I am referring to his lies before that Senate Committee.

 

So am I. The Democrats didn't mention it.

 

Dunno why they wouldn't. Even the SCOTUS Chief Justice is sufficiently concerned that he has referred the issue to the 10th Circuit.

 

News to me.

 

Here ya go:

Link.

 

You're free to believe abortion shouldn't be legal, but you're not free to impose your beliefs on all others.

I believe that people should not be allowed to murder, but when I'm put in a position of kill or be killed, I would not hesitate nor do I have a problem with government exercising the death penalty for some crimes and not for others where a life has been taken.