Why do liberals want no limit open borders?

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  1. Curious Always

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    I don't think I've ever had a conversation with Karl before. Interesting person. Uses his own made-up definitions of words to paint people into a political belief system we don't have. I've noticed he hasn't responded to me, yet, so I take that he now realizes he was talking out his ass on the definition of indigenous. He's using the same tactic on you. Lol.... Partisans gotta partisan.

    I like your definition of individualism. It's also the most commonly accepted use of the word, so he'll lose his argument with you, as well. (He already has, he just doesn't know it, yet.)

    Keep on keepin' on.
     
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    Has the OP had any inclinations to back up what it claims with proof?
     
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    There's that
     
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    That"s irrelevant.Laugh all you want,the fact is that the White Europeans built and made America the greatest country in the world.I stress the past tense.Their ideas,their scientific discoveries,their business skills etc...The White Europeans, not native Americans,not African Americans.
     
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  5. Carl Von Clausewitz

    Carl Von Clausewitz Well-Known Member

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    I'm not mistaking anything but it is clear that there are some things beyond your capability to understand.
     
  6. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow. Just wow. My very white great-great grandmother sold flowers on the streets in Holland, because they were very poor in Poland and wanted to come here. When they got here, she had to do menial work to make ends meet. She brought her dreams for her children, who grew up to be scientists, engineers and artists. To say she was below average is pretty pathetic.

    Some people are born on 3rd base and go through life believing they hit a triple.
     
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    There's plenty of people domestically to fill in those types of jobs.
     
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    Seriously? Lol.... success is great, and yes, we have been incredibly successful in many, many good ways. Success is not, in any way, synonymous with indigenous. Yikes the vocabulary of people today. You get an F on your vocabulary test.

    Hint - Iguanas are being very successful propagating their way through all of South Florida. That makes them indigenous in exactly zero ways.

    And I take it you disagree with Karl, who says if you were born here, you are indigenous. So.... that includes the Asians, Africans, Australians, South Americans & Middle-Easterners.... The entire world is indigenous to North America. How quaint.

    Your wanting something to be true is not the same as it being true. You can use dictionary.com for further information into this word that is very difficult for you.
     
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    Why do liberals want no limit open borders?
    Future voters. You didn't know that?
     
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    That's irrelevant referred to indigenous so you get 'F' for reading comprehension.Gist.Who made America great. Furthermore, judging by your post you cannot distinguish between Holland and Poland.Geography 'F". Finally, if you cannot keep your own family story straight, then I have to give you 'F' for honesty. Make up your mind,was your grandmother Dutch or Polish so you don't make a fool of yourself next time.
     
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    You still have a hard time understanding the codification of native or indigenous relating to an existing majority population.

    Overtime if iguanas populate all of Florida or the southeastern portion of the United States going in two hundred years into the future one could say they became native and indigenous to that area.
     
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    Ethical egoism says that we should each only be concerned about ourselves. The philosophy of individual rights does not teach that. It teaches that you should protect your own individual rights and respect the individual rights of others. It is far more closely related to deontological ethics than it is to egoism.

    If you would like more information about the differences between the two, you can start here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-rights_libertarianism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_egoism

    If you are instead content to invent your own meanings for these terms, as you have for "indigenous" and "genocide," you are of course free to do so. It is clear your would rather resort to victim fantasies and ad hominems than address such facts.
     
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    He's a Libertarian, which is a cousin to a republican. He's NOT a liberal.
    FAIL.
     
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    Radical individualism may not teach Randian ethical egoism directly but it nonetheless evolves into it.

    Your so called facts are riddled with inconsistencies.
     
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    There you are going into "radical individualism" again. I'm talking about the concept of individual rights . . . which has been around at least as long as the Enlightenment. It is related to deontology. The whole concept of civil debate presupposes individual rights. It only "evolves into" egoism for people who don't remotely understand it.
     
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    You're talking to somebody who views the enlightenment period as unenlightening and somebody who has a disdain for classical liberalism in all its forms.

    Also, I'm a utilitarian.
     
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    Which is fine, but you can disagree with something and even have disdain for it without completely misrepresenting it.

    Ah, the greatest good for the greatest number of people. How "worldist" of you.
     
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    My ancestry is fine and your inability to comprehend the dictionary is not my problem. You think all people that immigrated from Europe took a boat directly from Germany to NY? They had no stops along the way? My great-great grandfather & grandmother traveled across a continent to get my great-great grandmother where there was money to be made while he immigrated to America to get them set up. Back then, there was often only enough to pay one person's ship fare.

    I'm sorry the definition of words is a disappointment to you, but please, feel free to share the link to your favorite dictionary's definition of the word "indigenous" that has economical success.or majority, anywhere in the definition of the word.

    Simply because those things are not, in any way, related to the word indigenous. Majority is not a synonym of indigenous. I'm sorry you hate the dictionary, but that doesn't impress me in terms of what words mean. Find a new word. Indigenous is already taken. MAJORITY or WINNER work.... use words that mean what most people think they mean.
     
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    Are Liberians indigenous or native to Liberia? Yes, or no?
     
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    Being utilitarian works within a nationalist framework also.
     
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    The Democrats do everything they can to cater to illegal Mexicans and block Trump's wall so what further proof do we need?
     
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    Again the Democrats do everything they can to cater to illegal Mexicans including telling them they can vote and raise money to keep them here. They also block Trumps wall and create sanctuary cities. They have declared which side they are for and it's the side of illegals so why would they not be for open borders?
     
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    I could not have said this any better myself. Liberals support illegal Mexicans in every single way they can but claim they don't support open borders? That is a lie from the left.
     
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    That is so true. They claim they don't want open borders but cry if Immigrants from Africa, the middle east or Mexico are not allowed into the country. Remember the ban on several middle eastern countries because of possible terrorists? The left had a field day and said we had no right to close our borders to those countries. They do everything they can to cater to illegals and they do little to denounce illegal Mexicans so they support open borders even if they don't say it. The Republican party is not perfect but at least we are trying now to fix this and we need to work together (Republicans and Democrats) if we are to end this illegal criminal problem which is out of control.

    Democrats could start by ending sanctuary cities.....
     
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    This is further proof the Democrats want open borders. Most of them have no problem with illegal criminals invading our country and living here thus they can't be taken seriously when they say they don't want open borders. It's a lie. The Democratic party loves dreamers to much to close the borders.
     
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