I'm a progressive I'm also pro life, abortion rights are doomed, give up the fight.

No, Pro-Choice says exactly what it means...women retain the right to their own body, the right to CHOOSE.


"Post birth abortions"....that's an oxymoron….if a baby is born it cannot be aborted....DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

And, as with all your other claims, you have no proof that Pro-Choicers want mandated euthanasia which has nothing to do with abortion...

 

No, it has everything to do with pro-aborts' cheapening of human life at the sacred altar of "choice". 100% selfish convenience.

 

You are incorrect. it was the bank robber that "lifted" the rights of others and he must be separated from society. The law was in place before he took the risk.

You are the one trying to deceive. I am against abortion, but my strong belief in liberty prevents me from supporting anything that would force my beliefs onto others. That makes me pro choice, but anti abortion. I have never seen anyone on either side supporting the murder of children.

That makes 100% of your post a lie.

 

Sad state of affairs that it has come back around to this. An entire class of human beings having their rights denied based on some excuse.

 

That's a good one, so funny!

 

And then his right to freedom was taken from him but he had a right to remain silent and a right to a lawyer.....and maybe a phone call.

 

I think you are confused as to what a right is, it is a moral entitlement. An example is if a gunmen shoots a pregnant woman who intended to take the fetus to term and the fetus is killed the shooter could be charged with feticide; therefore the fetus had a right to survive that was taken away, also a moral entitlement that was taken away.

 

Wrong!

Those are NOT legal rights belonging to the fetus.

 

Onus is entirely on YOU to substantiate your baseless allegation that a fetus has rights under the Constitution.

 

Another load of bovine excrement without any basis whatsoever!

 

Name these alleged "rights" that a fetus has and prove them by citing the relevant aspects of the Law of the Land.

 

Care to explain why a fetus should have SPECIAL RIGHTS that no one else has?

 

So the right to freedom of speech is nothing more than a "moral entitlement"?

The right to vote is nothing more than a "moral entitlement"?

The right to privacy is nothing more than a "moral entitlement"?

The lack of subject matter knowledge is glaringly obvious.

 

Which renders you an an-American anti-Constitutionalist, which means you are ineligible for military or elective service. LEAVE.

 

My aren't you the rude one.
I tried to keep it simple so you can understand but I will try again.
Societies grant rights and those rights are protected in various ways not always with laws. A right is a moral entitlement, that means to be treated in a ethically responsible way. A fetus should be treated in an ethically responsible way. That is why there are feticide laws. That is why a woman has a right to an abortion because her rights outweigh the fetus'.

 

Puerile fatuous ad homs duly noted and you are hereby issued with a warning that any further PF Rule violations will be reported.

Wrong again!

Constitutional rights are LEGAL rights that are UPHELD by the Law of the Land.

"Moral entitlements" have no such LEGAL basis. Instead they are only based upon the dubious foundation of what you BELIEVE to be "moral" which is not the same as what others consider to be "moral".

This is a nation of LAWS and all attempts of legislate "morality" have been abysmal failures such as Prohibition and DOMA.

What you BELIEVE to be "moral" does NOT have the force of the Law of the Land and is therefore IRRELEVANT.

There is exactly ONE LAW that applies which is the UVVA. It specifically EXCLUDES abortion.

The fetus does NOT have any rights to be "outweighed".

 

You can be in favor of an amendment being repealed and still run for office.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No, Pro-Choice says exactly what it means...women retain the right to their own body, the right to CHOOSE.


"Post birth abortions"....that's an oxymoron….if a baby is born it cannot be aborted....DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

And, as with all your other claims, you have no proof that Pro-Choicers want mandated euthanasia which has nothing to do with abortion...

Again , "selfish" isn't against the law. In fact humans being selfish is what let humans progress, it's called survival, the ultimate "selfish" and works rally well


If you do NOT protest every war and the Pentagon and caging children then you should hardly criticize anyone else for
"cheapening human life".


And YES, the altar of "Women have a right to their own body Just like YOU do" is one great altar to bow down to and worship!

 

"""Sad state of affairs that it has come back around to this. An entire class of human beings having their rights denied based on some excuse."""

That was hilarious , wasn't it ....so sad....

 

No class of humans have had their rights denied. If you're referring to fetuses, they never had rights to deny.


Why do you think it's sad if fetuses don't have rights but think taking away women's rights is OK?

And it is hilarious that Anti-Choicer's relegate women's right to their own bodies as " some excuse"...JUST PATHETICALLY HILARIOUS....

 

Ironic that people that are pro choice are willing to support letting a woman have abortions for fun if she wants (trying to make a record to have the most abortions in history) but will scream at the other side for every thing having to do with not protecting life.

How about the democrats become pro life in all senses abortion and everything else so we can defete the republicans and finally have a party that is not hypocritical

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
The right as a PERSON does not change. ALL children have the right to life. They do no get the privilege to drive a car until they are old enough.

The fetus has no rights. It can't because it is inside and part of and attached to the woman....it is NOT a separate person.

One has to be BORN to have rights.

"PROTECTIONS" can be applied WITHOUT granting rights....and protections are applied to viable fetuses...NOT RIGHTS.

No, I think you're thinking of the UVVA (Unborn Victims of Violence Act) …..many think because the charges and sentence for criminals is changed by that law it does NOT bestow personhood on the fetus nor can it.

..it canNOT override the Constitution, it cannot, and does NOT, deem a fetus a legal person.

And the killer is not charged with feticide.

 

How can someone be charged in killing or hurting a being that is not considered a human or protected life form under the law?
Can not have it both ways, you get a charge for the mother and thats it, even if they made the mother miscarriage the fetus is not a human and thus no charges should be filed on its behalf.

 

You think women have abortions for the fun of it...

And Anti-Choicers deny they are misogynists.

Again, Democrats stand for all Americans having the same rights, even WOMEN !!!! Which Republicans don't care about, they do NOT care about women's rights(lives).

They do NOT care about that fetus once it's BORN...Repubs are the party that wants to cut Welfare, SNAP, WIC, and even healthy school lunches for poor kids...anything that helps those kids AFTER they're born