Who are the Nazis?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Battle3, Nov 2, 2018.

  1. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Right wing authoritarianism is linked to negative traits like prejudice. It's existence therefore always creates concerns.

    Reply to what I'm saying. It will help!
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sorry, I don't have much interest in discussing hypotheticals.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    This certainly isn't going anywhere. You continue to reply to posts that I have not made. I am referring to evidence into right wing authoritarianism and prejudice. It isn't hypothetical so I'm really not a fan of you making bobbins up.
     
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    Sorry that my command of the English language has proven inadequate for your needs.
     
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  5. Reiver

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    Takes a lot of English language effort to reply to completely different posts...
     
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    Sorry that my direct responses to your posts weren't communicated effectively.
     
  7. CCitizen

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    Definitely the Nazis were the Greatest Evil in History.

    But Socialists who support universal right to

    -- food
    -- housing
    -- medical care

    have nothing to do with Nazis.
     
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    I think what they mean, and it is possible you as well, those in academia that preach, teach or con the students into accepting prima facie that Democrats have the best interest for the nation and that we republicans are a blight on the nation.

    In my college courses, I only ran into politics from any teacher but one time and he was a former Russian citizen escaped from the Soviets. Naturally he did not preach how great their system was at that time.

    I would be shocked say a Calculus teacher or a Physics teacher engaged in ranting how great are the Democrats or how lousy the republicans are.

    But I took what are classified as the hard subjects. Later I also took business courses and none of those teachers were involved with political diatribes either.

    What I believe the Rs mean by kids learning Democratic party propaganda would be in history and other lightweight courses.
     
  9. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A right does not need involve others other than leaving you alone.

    When your right forces me to labor so you eat, so you have a house of your own, so your doctor is paid by me instead of you, you just became an infringer on rights, not a deliverer of rights.
     
  10. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hitler delivered to the citizens of Germany all of the above. How can you distance him from things he gave, you used to define socialism? I guess you did not get the word he delivered 2 week expenses paid vacations to the Germans!!!
     
  11. CCitizen

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    In my opinion, people with disability have as much right to food, shelter, and medical care as able people.

    Like 44 million people in USA I have Mental Disability -- Moderate Autism and Depression. Working with my condition is extremely hard.

    I can never imagine the hardship of 9.9 Million people in USA with Severe Mental Disability.
     
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    His great Evil was genocidal policy. Modern Scandinavia delivers all Socialist services without excesses.

    PS. I will be back after Sabbath.
     
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  13. Robert

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    Notice in that video taken in San Francisco prior to the 1906 quake that cars moved at about the same speed as those riders on bicycles. Notice the Cable cars were close to each other indicating a much higher use than today. Also notice you do not seem to mind the old black and white film then used. And how pleased you are it is a motion picture rather than still photos.
     
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    Do I have the right to force you to pay any of my medical care, to force you to pay for my food or my shelter?

    I advise you use the voluntary system. Go fund me probably a good site.

    I am not speaking of what feels good, only what rights are.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh I did not claim he was great nor good. But in the scope of governing to his own citizens, no wonder they were out in enormous crowds praising the man. To the German citizen, he was better than a George Washington or a FDR. He actually delivered.

    What he delivered to the rest of the world was a huge tragedy.

    When War ended, only then had Germans realized the enormous blunder.
     
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    You could use the laws crafted since FDR assumed command in 1933 as proof. But you ignore his laws plus worse, ignore the laws crafted since he swore in up to date. Why ignore that among the two groups, Democrats and republicans, the Democrats take more freedom yet the republicans offer more freedom? We do not need psychobabble to prove it is the Democrats who are the authoritarians.

    Do you think for instance the Democratic party is back of Roe v Wade? They never enacted legislation to effect any of that. It was done by men in black robes.

    Even now Democrats in the Senate will urge the next house to enact laws. Laws can protect.

    Laws used by Democrats restrict. Look who wants to lay waste to the 2nd Amendment. Democrats my friend,. not we republicans.
     
  17. Robert

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    You are selling we republicans as the evil. Sorry pal, you lost that sale when you put the blame on Trump.

    All that the post you object to has on it is a list of values shared by both Hitler and Democrats.
     
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    Nazi Germany erred in making war. But had Nazi Germany been peaceful, it might still be the German government.
     
  19. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump is so much in charge that the house flipped over to the socialists again.
     
  20. Battle3

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    Wrong.

    Nazism was deeply socialist, much more so than modern European countries.

    Look at your list:
    "militant uncompromising nationalism, extreme xenophobia, racism, white supremacist ideation" - generally correct. Nazism was socialism (which is globalist) tailored to a single nation (Germany). It placed Germans - not white people, but Germans - as the supreme group. For example, it placed Germans above the French and English (white people).

    Is that Trump and conservatives? Certainly not.
    -Nationalism is not a problem, every nation is nationalist. Every nation with borders and a government is nationalist.
    -extreme xenophobia does not describe conservatives or Trump. Secure borders is not xenophobia.
    -racism and white supremacy is again not Trump or conservatives.


    "demagoguery, scapegoating, unchecked propaganda without a free media, suppression of dissenters" - that is "progressivism".

    For 8 years under obama and the almost 2 years under Trump, progs have publicly labeled conservatives as astroturf, clingers, red necks, deplorables, racists, homophobes. The progs trot out the slurs automatically as soon as anyone disagrees with them. Its a tactic to smear and silence dissenters.

    Dont forget the obama fast & furious, harassment of conservative (Tea Party) groups seeking 401c3, using the IRS to harass Gibson Guitar for its owner being conservative.

    And you should not forget that its almost 100% conservative media and groups who get censored on social media and the internet.
     
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    Oops! I just found 600,000 Florida republican votes in my backyard and I don't even live in Florida!

    Dems ACT like fascists. :roflol:
    Live by fascism and die by fascism.

    Steve
     
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  22. Robert

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    It is a shame to admit it, but these diatribes by the Media, by their "quackers" showing up on forums is just the beginning. They see this election victory won by them on the Media, on the sites other than on FOX as one example, as the path to more glory to Democrats.

    Moments ago I visited two Chinese businessmen who explained their view of the election to me. Both support what Trump is doing to China. They informed me that even Japan that long has supported China, yanked back support. They inform me China no longer has citizens fearing the Chinese government but still controlled tightly by the Chinese Government total domination over their news. And surprise to Americans, Chinese people hate our guts. Due to what? Due to the Chinese Government essentially instructing them to hate our guts.

    But both men say Trump is really hurting China and like me do not believe he has to clamp down on Russia. Russia is not our problem. But for FOX we too could have the one world view promoted by our media.
     
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    A lot of words to say "yep, we do think there is an academic conspiracy". I don't actually need to type anything. You fellows are splendid in proving the point for me.
     
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    Yes, but that wasn't the problem. It has it's own problems just like capitalism does, but it had nothing to do with wwii, or the holocaust etc.
    I have no idea what your point is here. Sure, germans were considered supreme, but whites in general were above everyone else. And in either case, that is still a problem.
    Sure, to some extent, but not to the exclusion of everything else. In other words not willing to work with others for a greater good, and zero sum ideation.
    It absolutely is. The muslim ban, kids in cages, fear mongering about caravans are all wildly xenophobic. So was the appropriation of Mollie Tibbetts. The continued description of hispanics as ms-13 and rapists and criminals.
    This was racist and xenophobic:

    as was this
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/03/politics/stacey-abrams-oprah-georgia-racist-robocall/index.html
    as was this
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/05/nbc-pulls-racist-trump-ad-961965
    and hints of it here
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ack-ad-says-it-anyway/?utm_term=.b0d3943219e8

    Never mind the birther thing.
    Lol, are you claiming that astroturf is a slur against conservatives? Deplorable was a very apt description of racists and homophobes. It's true, every now and then, a slur slips out, do you want to go toe to toe in a competition where I find multiple examples of name calling by conservatives for every one you find by liberals? In the end, however, this is just name calling. Little trump is the very definition of a demagogue, and there is no liberal equivalent. Scapegoating goes hand in hand with the racism and xenophobia discussion below, and suppression below that.
    Fast and furious?? That was stupid and bungled, but in no way relates to your point. The irs targeting thing was investigated and it turned out there was nothing there, at least not specific to liberals. Gibson?? They broke the law, they were raided... There isn't anything to point to here that isn't unsubstantiated conspiracy theory.
    That's an indictment of conservative media. I mean if you consider alex jones representative of conservatives, than you hate conservatives more than most liberals. They are censored for hate speech and endangering innocent people. The fact that it's mostly conservative as I said aligns them with the nazis.

    In the end, we have things like trump banning acosta for asking questions he can't answer, revoking Brennan's security clearance, and all in all attacking from the bully pulpit anybody and everyone that disagrees with him in any way. There is also being literally in bed with one particular media outlet (ie state tv) and attacking all others as fake news. These are abuses of power in which the actual government is suppressing dissent. Very very different thing, and the domain of dictators, nazi or otherwise.

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    Ohh.. last minute thought let's not forget "lock her up"
     
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    Of all my teachers praised by me, that is what you think you read? A diatribe on my part supporting you???? Dear person, check out your prescription on your glasses.
     

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