More Americans and most Republicans now believe in climate change

Everybody knows the weather changes. Cavemen knew it. There is nothing new.

 

You will have to explain how a powerful greenhouse gas is a mere feedback effect and a much lesser greenhouse gas drives the equation. A greenhouse gas is a greenhouse gas. It admits sunlight and prevents the escape of IR. It seems to me the only difference between one that "amplifies" and one that "forces" is that one you can blame in a small way on people.

But let us accept the premises that 1) CO2 controls everything, and 2) it is all bad because a slightly warmer earth would be terrible. What is the solution? Virtually no one who accepts these premises accepts the solution which is nuclear power. You cannot sustain the world population on windmills and solar cells.

 

Thank you for a thoughtful reply

 

So... You're saying that Earth has experienced Climate Change several times with zero interference from mankind.

Ok. I agree.

 

Yes. They are.

 

And many believe Donald Trump could not have been elected president of the united states without the nation of Russia interfering, even though no evidence of such has ever been uncovered.

 

Big deal. Most Americans, including Republicans, believe in God; doesn’t make God any more real than climate change.

All this proves is delusions often seem real to the unenlighened.

 

Climate and weather are not the same. Also, 36% of your fellow Republicans appear to not know what the cavemen knew.

 

...you think there is no evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 election?

 

Nah... the solution is taxes. Ask the French. Taxes, wealth redistribution, as ms Patricia says, "immediate, structural, transformational economic remedies". You know what that means. Government economies, directed economies, communism. This is the UN prescription for how we "solve" climate change.

Look at the smug associated with the conversations. Only the "smart" people "know" what's "best" for the planet. They get to choose what to target because taking power away from both having a highly mobile and prosperous populous takes away from the enormous restrictive and authoritative world they yearn for.

 

Golly... this is new. If all molecules now act the same, clearly, the ability to ascribe the imbalance to only human contributions now seems dangerously close to not being provable anymore... All that isotopal differentiation tracking.... Well, the good news is it seems facts can't always be ignored....

 

Interesting correlation that both groups overlap with themselves....

 

Right. That's why it's so very important to work with all nations on the planet in a cooperative effort to fix global warming. That's why Trump is doing the wrong thing pulling out of the Paris Accords.

 

In theory. The Paris Accords are a front, to get facetime. If few of those countries will do anything on their own, then few of them are serious in the first place. Most countries don't have to really do anything. They just have to promise something by X date, nod, smile and wave. What happens if they don't do what they said. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!! Yeah, lets see what they do, while we spend trillions fixing their ****, like its always been since WWII.

China can claim whatever they want, but no one really knows what they're doing. India can barely feed its people, they're starving and diseased and they're going to spend how much to do what? Whatever=)

 

Dealing with global warming will NOT destroy the U.S. economy. It will expand it. New technologies will have to be developed to deal with the warming, and that will produce new goods, jobs & income for the nation. Your argument is the same as that used when farriers argued against trains & automobiles at the turn of the last century. But trains & automobiles & eventually planes as well, gave us a whole new world of unanticipated industries, jobs, & income. Global warming will do the same.

 

They, and we alike, will face the consequences of our inaction. Future life on this planet is being decided now, by us. You can always find negatives & excuses for inaction, but history will record what we do or don't do. History won't care what excuses we used to make that choice.

 

Oh... Please.... Spare me the "Bizarro World" future, where.

You're actually arguing that the ultra-rich refuse to make more money than they're making now.

Automobiles weren't imposed on America by the UN. Automobiles were and are built because people want to buy them. Trains were and are built because people want to buy them because a lot of other people want to pay for the right to use them.

If some Green Billionaire develops a solar cell or wind mill that is economically viable, he won't need the UN to force it down our throats and make $Billions more. The reason nobody will buy these money-holes without a government subsidy is because they suck.

 

The evidence that Global Warming AKA Climate Change activists are not a mass movement is in the streets of Paris right now.
The people united are very opposed to punitive environmental whacko laws and the ignorant politicians who promote them.

 

First, thank you for a thoughtful & genuine post. While I don't personally agree with everything you say, I am impressed by the thought & personal concern you express. While CO2 has been identified as the main culprit in global warming, it's not the ONLY culprit. Mankind is treating our atmosphere very harshly, and it's having an impact not only on humanity, but every living creature on the planet. Hundreds (possibly thousands) of species are going extinct because of human abuse of the natural environment every year. Our cities have become so polluted, city managers often promote everyone living there staying home & avoiding going outside & breathing that pollution. Fixing global warming is a complex, complicated process, with no guarantee of success. But continued inaction is guaranteed to lead to conditions that will challenge the survival of humans & animals globally. Any attempt to fix it will contribute new industries, goods, jobs & economic growth to every nation involved. So, I don't see positive action toward a fix as a threat to anything other than those industries based on fossil fuels. And, they need to be abandoned anyway.

 

I think it is wonderful that people in greater numbers finally accepted that climate never remains the same, that we live in an evolving, changing universe, and that our climate has always cycled in some fashion. One of the cycles is the cooling down and heating up of the earth, a part of climate, which changes, cycles.

But it makes one wonder why all people did not know that our climate cycles, and that eventually after the warming, there will be a cooling down, perhaps another ice age as well.

Also, the actions of humans, using fossil fuel for energy, and thereby creating what we know of as modern civilization, which looks to be a factor in the natural cycle of warming isn't unnatural, for humans are of nature, and therefore natural, and just as natural as if volcanoes erupted, affecting weather and climate.

We can hope that in the end, the positives for humanity outweigh the negatives from a little warmer earth.

 

This was always the fear, from the reasonable people, that addressing climate change with taxation will cause economic suffering, as it fills the pockets of gov't with more money to spend, as the elites using gov't, direct some of that cash flow into their own pockets.

It really is a very good scheme, con job, to take what little money the masses have, and send that to the people who deserve it, our elites. Who by the way, are not subject to the suffering of non elites. Yes, perfection!

 

Global warming isn't an economic problem, it's a survival problem. Those in denial are going to be affected by it along with everyone else. It's already having an impact. It's the root cause of the massive immigration now taking place in Europe from the Mediterranean & Middle East. That's just the beginning. Eventually, everyone living in the tropics will be forced to migrate elsewhere, and the U.S. will not be able to resist that catastrophe. We fight over a few thousand illegal immigrants now, but with global warming, our children & grandchildren will have to deal with millions of illegals fleeing murderous tropics. It's a choice right now.
Soon, it'll be a fact of life without choice.

 

Government always evolves a corrupt ruling political class dedicated to expanding its power and wealth through taxation.
Massive bureaucracy, complex government programs and the proliferation of laws and secret police/spy agencies are signs that the cancer is nearing its end stage.

 

Switching to green energy sources would alleviate that scenario, plus give our economy a long overdue boost. Fixing global warming would force us to invent new devices, create new industries to supply those devices, create jobs & produce income. I don't agree with the naysayers who support keeping the fossil fuels industries thriving.

 

Global Warming is just more very common Fake Science.