German far-right leader severely injured after being beaten in ‘assassination attempt’

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  1. Ronstar

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    maybe this will be their Reichstag Fire moment.

    they will abuse this attack, which was possibly False-Flag, to push for the deportation of all Muslims, Liberals, and other "undesirables".
     
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    So basically, german have the choice between killed by the terrorists and getting rising insecurity and nazis ? Interesting choice.
     
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    anyone arrested yet?

    could be false-flag
     
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    That's something that could be said of almost everything.
     
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    Talked to a friend of mine who lives in the vicinity of Bremen this afternoon... so far, nothing on suspects or any arrests. He did say, though, that there is a surveillance-camera video that investigators are examining.

    He also said that Magnitz is out of the hospital and back home. They had wanted to keep him in the hospital for the rest of the week, but he wanted to leave... possibly in order to be more secure (?)....
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    Attempt to successfully martyr a repulsive individual = Fail

    Attempt to humanize said repulsive individual = Fail

    The world's reaction = We don't care
     
  7. Pollycy

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    So, it's perfectly OK with you that three masked thugs can beat a man nearly to death on a city street? Will you still think it's OK when/if they attack you, or someone who represents you in the government?

    Hint: "Repulsive" is in the 'eye of the beholder'....
     
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    But when there are riots in the USA with same results, then it is something else and not the same because not done by migrants? Come on ...
     
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  9. Mandelus

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    But times change.... isn't it?

    Look on the term social in the USA for example. For how many Americans is social = socialist = communist = evil?
    What you call welfare is in many other countries called social. So a misinterpretation is very easy done with all the following consequences of bad things!
     
  10. Pollycy

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    It is far more than mere 'semantics', Mandelus. It's a matter of making one person pay money out of his own pocket and give it to someone else -- and enforced by a government that has the power to punish you with imprisonment and death.

    Do you know what a "parasite" is, Mandelus? I believe the German word is, "Parasit". And when there are equal numbers of people who work to support themselves as there are parasites, that country is doomed to failure.

    Or, to put it another way, when there's only a couple of guys 'rowing the boat', which is full of a bunch of bums, freeloaders, and other "Schmarotzer" sitting in the 'boat', doing nothing, the two rowers look at each other and say, "To hell with this!" They jump out and swim for the shore, leaving the bums to take the oars themselves.

    It's really not complicated. If I take your money only because I want it, I am nothing but a thief and a parasite. NOBODY in the world, German or otherwise, likes a parasite....
     
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    Except that did not happen. His injuries are due to be his face hitting the ground because 1 guy hit him from behind. His party admits that most has been totally made up. There was no wooden plank that supposedly was used to beat him. And he wasn't kicked or hit at all when he was lying on the ground.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-attack-on-rightwing-politician-frank-magnitz
    https://www.dw.com/en/new-details-of-attack-on-german-afd-mp-come-to-light/av-47019672
     
  12. Pollycy

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    And his face 'hit the ground' why? Did it just just fall off his head and land there...? :confuse::frustrated:

    If your face looked like bloody hamburger because it 'hit the ground' would that make it OK? You'd be tranquil and serene about that...?

    The man was ATTACKED, but the hyperliberal, radical Left doesn't even care.... Trust me, a day is coming in which they WILL....
     
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    I sourced that it is.
    I sourced that victim who claimed it actually doesn't recall.
    I sourced that his own party admits that it is the way I said it is.
     
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    The left is violent.
     
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    there is no clue that the left did this. So far, what they got is that even the victim admits that he can not remember what went on, while CCTV denies by far most of his claims. His own party admits to all of this.
     
  16. Mandelus

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    Of course I know what parasites are and in every social system they exist ... they always exist and they will always exist. But they are always a minority in the masses who depend on social services!
    But why are they and why are they able to live as a parasite? The answer is simple, because they exploit gaps, loopholes and weaknesses in the system!
    So it is also the duty of the state to close these gaps etc. and if that does not happen or does not happen sufficiently, then it is not the social system itself, but the control mechanisms of the state!

    And the fact that such a social system is financed from the taxpayers money is completely correct and nothing else than that is OK! It is the duty of the state to take care of the weak and those who are in debt through no fault of their own, and the state, that is the people and the revenue of the state are the taxes!
     
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    See my post no. 20
    See my post no. 39.

    What I find pretty pathetic is the AFD claiming he was attacked with a massive piece of wood and, while lying on the ground, kicked in the head. This was part of the official AFD statement they put out very shortly after the attack even before the police had put out an official report. The surveillance video doesn't show any of that. The official spokesperson of the prosecution said there is no indication at all that any object was used or that he was kicked in the head, as notme mentioned. This is rather typical of the AFD, their comment, however, was it wouldn't matter whether it was a piece of wood or a crowbar or something else. First they lie and put out a fasle story, then it doesn't matter. This attack is totally unacceptable, but the way they, the AFD, handle this says a lot about them. No news regarding any possible suspects so far, investigators are planning to publish the video of the attack.
     
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    It reminds me of this:



    Nobody cares.
     
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    If you are correct, the original stories were wrong... I'll take that at 'face-value' even though I'm well aware that different political factions (Left, Right, and squishy-soft, do-nothing 'Middle') manipulate things to suit their own agendas -- at ALL levels of government agencies.

    But you are right when you say, " it wouldn't matter whether it was a piece of wood or a crowbar or something else." Thus, the FACT that this man was attacked in a Bremen street is of little or no importance to anyone but you and me? And that the really important thing to mainstream Germans is what type of instrument was used to beat him so badly that he had to be in the hospital?!

    Imagine if something like this had happened to a Leftist, a "Green" member, or perhaps one of Merkel's CDU cadres. Lieber Gott noch mal! :eyepopping: . There would be non-stop media coverage and thousands of marchers in the streets all over Germany! But Frank Magnitz gets beaten with a stick? Or was it a crowbar? Or was it simply his own 'bad' AfD "karma"? Or was it all just his imagination? And within 72 hours it is clear that NOBODY CARES?

    But a day is coming when Germans will care... wait and see.
     
  20. Caligula

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    You’re getting things wrong here. The original story (beaten with a piece of wood and kicked in the head) was put out by the AFD itself, this was the first and original story. Several newspapers and media outlets published it (inter alia The Sun), some phrased it ‘was seemingly beaten with a plank/piece of wood’, but the story was out there. This original narrative was the AFD’s version. Then investigators examined the surveillance video and said there’s no indication of any object of any kind. Magnitz was attacked from behind (without any object) and knocked to the ground, he got his wound from hitting the floor, and was not kicked in the head, the attackers ran off immediately. In a nutshell: the AFD put out a false story, the video which was examined by investigators proves them wrong. See here: https://www.polizei.bremen.de/
    I personally consider sticking to facts important and really helpful.

    Who says or said that nobody cares? You’re making things up here. This attack has been headline news since Monday evening/Tuesday morning.
    https://www.google.de/search?source.......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i131j0.NUK5cidepeY
    Members from all political parties (CDU/CSU, SPD, FDP, Grüne, Linke) have condemned the attack. If you’re so interested in this, why don’t you just follow the debates instead of making up things that are way off? ‘Nobody cares’ is false, just follow the debates and you'll be better informed. Even Dietmar Bartsch, parliamentary party leader of Die Linke said “there is no justification for such a crime. “
    https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten...angriff-gibt-dafuer-keine-rechtfertigung.html

    I didn’t say that “it wouldn't matter whether it was a piece of wood or a crowbar or something else”, that’s what the AFD used as an excuse once their claim (hit with a massive piece of wood and kicked in the head) turned out to be a lie.
    Nobody said the only important thing to Germans was what type of instrument was used in the attack, you’re getting things wrong again. Authorities simply put the info out that no object was used in the attack. The point is that the AFD lied to the public and the press and the video proves it. No political party has tried to capitalize on this politically, not one, except the AFD itself by speading false news.
    “Thousands of marchers in the streets”? Why make things up again? Didn’t happen when Oskar Lafonatine (SPD) was almost killed, not when Schäuble (CDU) was shot into a wheelchair, not when Joschka Fischer (Grüne) was attacked.
     
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    The attack itself is not shown in the surveillance camera video. We see Magnitz walking, and that he is followed by at least three persons. The truth is that this video doesn't show us anything except that he was evidently being pursued. What we know for sure is that shortly afterward he was beaten up and his head was all bloody. We see people running away from a direction that Magnitz had been walking, but we do not see anything else, except that the people running away knocked down another person in their haste to get away. To be fair, there is nothing in the surveillance video that shows Magnitz was beaten "with a stick or a crowbar, or something else".

    So, we will probably never learn anything with a completely factual basis.

    But your point about Wolfgang Schäuble is well taken, although his assailant was described as a 'druggie' and a psychopath of some variety. Indeed, Herr Schäuble is highly respected in his position as President of the Bundestag... and he has surely been one of the more intelligent, capable persons in the entire German government up to the present time. But now, sadly, it looks like another fine German politician, Friedrich Merz, has been pushed aside by the CDU to make room for the "AKK-phenom". Poor Germany. You didn't need a 'Merkel-clone' at this time....
     
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    From the video it appears to be only one man who is in collision with the AFD Chairman but it looks like he may have pulled a face mask down before the incident. All that is obvious is that he ran into the Afd Chairman knocking him down and then seemed to stumble against him resulting in kicks. There is nothing from this video to suggest that the Afd Chairman was even targeted rather than just being there and it is obvious that neither of the other two men were involved at all. It is not outwidth the bounds of possibility that he ran into the AFD Chairman by mistake though if he is pulling on a face mask that tends to rouse suspicion it was deliberate.

    From that video I would suspect this was a false flag hoping to make good on the 'attack' as happened with Bolsonaro.
     
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    Were you looking at the same video that I saw? The same video that Caligula provided us a link to? If so, HOW in the world could you have drawn the conclusions that you did? The attack was not (NOT) shown on the video, but it was clear that Magnitz was followed by at a distance of about 10 meters by men who appeared to be stalking him.

    Assessment: the more that the radical Left tries to pretend that a violent attack on Frank Magnitz never happened, the more the rest of us will be highly suspicious of their weird denials. The Left may be used to "seeing what it wants to see", but that doesn't mean that the rest of the world sees what they see....

    Note the mass-media-censored image of what Magnitz' head REALLY looked like after... what? He fell? He did it himself?

    Oh... the AfD made it up? :omg: . :spin:

    [​IMG]
     
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    The attack on Magnitz is clearly visible from 0:26 – 0.35 in slow-mo when he is attacked from behind by one guy and immediately goes down. These screenshots clearly show that the attacker comes very close and knocks him down from behind. I for one find the idea of 'false flag' rather unrealistic.

    Absolutely nobody has claimed the attack never happened! And there are no denials of any kind other than the police Bremen proving that the original AFD story of this incident was false. Nobody claims or has claimed that the attack was made up by the AFD.
    Regarding the pics, one has to be familiar with the Deutscher Presserat and the agreements called Publizistische Grundsätze which are common concerning the publishing of what’s called “Schockbilder”, shock pics. This is not 'Merkel censorship', these are voluntary agreements, definied in the Pressekodex, which most media outlets follow (but don't have to). Those "Schockbilder" are almost never fully published (the face is usually pixelated), not the victims of ISIS beheadings, not massively injured victims of traffic accidents, not victims of football hooliganism, etc. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressekodex
    Again, it would be better to be familiar with these things before making highly incorrect claims.
    Interesting & educational read!
    https://www.svz.de/deutschland-welt/politik/schockbilder-zeigen-oder-nicht-id7459801.html






    Magnitz2.png Magnitz3.png Magnitz4.png Magnitz5.png Magnitz6.png Magnitz7.png
     
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    I cannot copy the video. It is on this page

    https://www.polizei.bremen.de/

    If you hold on you will find that after showing the attack in real time it shows it in slow motion. Why I decided it was suspect false flag - simply because despite their face masks they do not seem to want to hurt him. If they did not have the face masks on I would have thought some unbelievably careless accident but given that there appears to be an attempt to do something wrong, and given that only one in any way attacks him, knocking him down and giving him some sort of kicks, which could very well be accidental, when he seems to be unable to get past him (might of course go with the druggie you mention) However it looked to me that the intent was more to make it look like he had been attacked than to attack him, hence why I thought suspicious as false flag. If it was a desire to attack then I would have expected all three to get into it and I would have expected the one who knocked him down to give him a few more deliberate and nasty kicks or whatever. It does not convince me that it is showing any desire to harm the guy which I would expect in a genuine attack.
     

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