Would You Vote For a Killer for President?

Then we are talking legalized murder. It raises the same issue when police murder people. What good is having murder be a crime if it can be justified? We might as well toss homicide out of the books, out of the court system. There cannot be exceptions to crimes if one is truly for law and order.

 

Yes, I did know that....

 

A little too simplistic. I know a large man who had to shoot someone in self-defense and spent a year in jail until his case was finally dismissed. The others on here are too simplistic, too, in thinking that in a life or death situation you can take careful aim at a leg or an arm and assume you're not going to miss. That's not how it works. As for death, that's kind of random. Some survive being shot and some don't.

I accept most cases of self-defense at face value... it's rare for someone to shoot someone else that isn't a domestic case or a case of the shooting being part of some other crime such as robbery. As such, the claim of self-defense rarely comes up. I remember one case that wasn't self-defense but rather a claim of "accident" that I scoffed and thought, "Yeah, right." Woman shot her estranged husband coming in the window around nine o'clock at night and then claimed that the lights were off and she didn't know who it was. Yeah, right. I believe that one.

As a native Floridian, I don't actually have a lot good to say about the state and usually take unwarranted glee in poking fun at it, but the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground laws are good ideas. I wish more states would follow suit.

This is false, based simply on the definition of murder. Murder is the unwarranted taking of a human life. If the situation is warranted, it isn't murder. Homicide, yes, that's simply the taking of a human life. But from justifiable self-defense to negligent homicide to manslaughter to second degree murder (no premeditation) to first degree murder, there are many variations and degrees of homicide, all of them on the books and all of them well-defined and litigated.

 

A totally unrealistic position.

 

What is the definition of murder? Take self defense out for a moment. Murder is voluntary termination of another ones life. You pick up that gun and shoot someone in your home, you have effectively subscribed to that definition. No one told you to pick up that gun, no one told you to shoot the guy, it’s all voluntary. So yes, we are talking legalized murder.

 

It's not murder to kill someone lawfully. Per Florida law there are justified reasons to commit homicide. Primarily, they involve defending yourself or others from violence. When someone breaks into an occupied dwelling, Florida law presumes that to be a forcible felony. Forcible felonies can be defended against by the use of deadly force.

 

You can't take self defense out of it.

No one told the intruder to break into my home. That was his bad choice.

 

No one told the person you killed to break into your home either. Strictly a willful act on their part.

 

If it’s not legalized murder, then more or less it’s legaljzed homicide. If you can make a case for self-defense, more power to you, but if you simply shoot someone because they brandish a gun at you, that’s totally different. It’s like when cops shoot a guy after mistaking a iPhone for a gun. That’s not self defense, it’s homicide. Plain and simple.

 

That's my question as well. I think about the case of the girl who was abducted after her parents were killed. The mom was killed in front of her in the bathroom they chose to hide out in, after the dad had been killed. If Dad had a gun, or Mom had a gun, the psychopath who killed them and abducted/held the girl would have been dead, and at least one of her parents would have been alive, and the girl wouldn't have had to live with almost three months of horror.
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And you honestly can’t think of any other household item that would immobilize an intruder other than a gun? He broke into my house, that’s not enough to justify homicide.

 

Pretty much my view as well, although I'm not that rural. I do live in hurricane country, and any summer/fall I could be in a situation where I couldn't contact the authorities.

 

The time difference between someone brandishing a gun at you and shooting you is measured in milliseconds. There is a pretty good chance that if you wait that long, you are going to die.

 

The dictionary definition of murder is

"The crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought." Killing someone in self defense or defense of others against violent crimes is not murder, it's justifiable homicide. Murder can't be justified.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder

 

Murder is unlawful killing. Your definition is not in any way valid legally or even in general public opinion. There are times when killing someone is necessary. If someone is trying to commit a violent felony, per Florida law, killing them is not murder (unless you are also trying to commit a crime--a burglar can't claim self defense if they are attacked by a homeowner). Please research things instead of just posting drivel. It's easy to look up definitions.

 

That actually makes Florida scary to live in, because as open ended as the claim of self-defense is, anyone who even brandishes a gun at someone else could be shot and the shooter could still claim self defense though they have to prove it. It’s reasonable to take anyone who shoots purely out of self-defense in a police car, down to the police station, and have them explain their case. It would be foolish to let them go free without a thorough interrogation into the matter

 

Exactly. This is usually covered by state laws. In the state of Florida, breaking into an occupied dwelling is a forcible felony. The homeowner has no responsibility to find out why their home is being broken into, the assumption is that it's for harming the occupants. Hence, in FL, you can use deadly force to defend against a burglary into an occupied dwelling (which includes RVs and boats).

 

It's not scary at all here in Florida. In fact, I feel the opposite most of the time (exception being in the aftermath of a hurricane). I guess it's because I'm a good citizen and don't get into fights, break into houses, brandish weapons or threaten anybody. Why would you be scared? Do you make it a practice to try to make people fear for their life?

It's hard to prove self defense if it's not. Also, if you point a gun at anybody, you are committing a felony. Yes, brandishing a gun (which means holding a gun in an offensive stance) can get you killed, if you are brandishing it at somebody. Brandishing a gun doesn't mean simply having it in your hands.


That said, do you think self defense is at all a human right? Do you have the right to defend yourself against an attacker? Or are you just going to let it happen, and hope they are merciful?

 

I thought his power was limited by a threat to the USA? I guess they redefined what is a threat to the nation? Simply a comment about how the powers of feds have changed and no longer follow the intent or the wording of the original Constitution or Articles.

 

Treating someone as if they committed murder until they justify homicide is fair middle ground. You justify it, great. You don’t, let’s hope that cell is comfy for you.

 

That makes this issue maddening. You point a gun at somebody, it’s a felony but kill them, somehow you get away without facing any possible legal repercussion. No one here is arguing that self-defense isn’t a human right, because it is. But making killing part of it in a civilized society is a stretch.

 

I think she was sixteen, likely legal driving age in her state, in 1962. Want to reconsider "texting" as an option?

 

How are you not aware of the fact that "legalized murder", by definition, cannot exist?

 

Willful ignorance.

 

It's actually, "Thou shalt not murder".