Time to Get Out of Afghanistan

Anyone who needs a degree isn't a real soldier. I am neither a soldier or a "military scientist." I am stating the seemingly obvious fact that quitting has the same outcome as losing

 

Rome did win wars and controlled said countries for hundreds of years, as did Britain.

 

Doesn't matter how long, the end is always the same. You can not defeat and occupy a country. Sooner or later the costs exceed the benefits.

 

No nation will last forever or hold its territories indefinitely. No person will live forever either. A couple centuries or even millennia is pretty damn good.

 

Enslaving people is good? I guess that depends on which side of the occupation you are on. The US was occupied by Britain for a couple of centuries. How did that work out?

Beyond that, how can you equate the US occupation of Afghanistan or Syria to Rome or Britain. Both those countries occupied other countries for one reason and one reason only. To strip their wealth.

 

Fine, not good, but rather impressive. The US goes to foreign countries out of perhaps misguided altruism.

 

Time to get out of the Middle East to let Russia and Iran create all kinds of evil and chaos.

 

Trump should offer complete withdrawal from the Middle East in exchange for a pitiful 10 billion in funding for the wall.

Watch actual liberals' heads explode as they don't know whether to refuse out of spite or take what has been one of their golden geese for decades. The DNC of course will refuse, they have to. They can't negotiate with someone they've designated as Hitler.

 

Who cares? Iran is increasingly isolated anyway, at this point it's Syria, Iran and Russia against legit the entire Middle East. Saudi-allied nations are even warming to Israel to deter Iran and Syria. They'll be fine on their own. Stick a fence around the region and let them bomb themselves into extinction. Russia is a joke of a power, they're not even a second order power at this point. You have to think they're a superpower so they can justify continued collusion between military and industry.

Arm your citizenry and defend the homeland no matter what may come. It's either that or perpetual war. The founders would be absolutely blowing their tops at the state of world policing by the US, they were skeptical of standing armies, let alone galavanting around the globe spending 1/20th of every citizen's dollar killing random brown people.

It's time to return to peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none.

 

As opposed to the benevolent and altruistic US of A, that spreads 'evil and chaos' everyfuckingwhere it spreads its tentacles where they're not wanted?

 

Please get real. No nation acts from altruism. That's Hollywood and Disney only.

The US goes into foreign nations out of greed and power. Period. Read the Wolfowitz Doctrine (HERE) to better understand what its true objectives are.

 

Are you sure you're not conflating Russia and Iran with the USA and UK? After all, neither Russia or Iran have entered any Middle Eastern countries militarily without being invited.

 

We defend ourselves and our allies. If that upsets you, I don’t give a sh-t.

 

The Wolfowitz Doctrine was hastily rewritten

 

But you don't defend yourselves and your allies. That's a nonsense argument that you rush to believe in your naiveté and group-think.

As proof, you've just tossed your loyal allies the Kurds in Syria to the Turks who intend to destroy them. This is a repetitive pattern of the US too. A similar thing happened in Vietnam too.

Nor is your argument about defending yourself even reasonable. The American Continent hasn't been attacked since we British went to war there. The below is what American Green Beret Colonel Patrick Laing (active in Vietnam) wrote recently about the US disloyalty to allies and its wars:

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/12/index.html

Apparently you are one of the American people who haven't yet got up to speed about the reality he discusses.

What the US does is start bloody and destructive wars all over the world for very selfish financial reasons.

 

Your post was hastily written I see.

What you can't deny, decry...

 

Can you list a few of those wars?

 

Well thanks for proving to us all that you have no idea what you're talking about. That was easier than I thought.

 

You don't need a degree to know foreign affairs. If you waste money on something so stupid you have no business being in a dangerous situation.

 

You don't need a degree in engineering to be an engineer. But does the extra education hurt, or help you?

 

NYT is neocon?

 

Hah, sorry I posted the last comment too quickly.

What is your military sciences theory for what we will accomplish by continuing the occupation?

Please tell me you aren't foolish enough to think that our presence is a detterent for extremism? The longer we are there, the more radicalized tribal regions and separatists have become. Have you ever gone to rural Afghanistan and had a translator help you speak to local families?

What were their thoughts?

 

Snappish?

 

Jeez! Considering your long membership of this forum that you ask this question is stunning. And telling.

Iraq 1 & 2 (Saddam previously being a close US ally despite being a foul murderous dictator btw). Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Syria, Yemen to name some recent wars and military interventions.

You can get a better idea of the USA's military projection around the world HERE. Included in this long list are the invasions of the tiny island of Grenada (so perilously dangerous to the West) and also Panama - in order to arrest Manuel "Pineapple face" Noriega --- also previously a US ally and a CIA bankrolled asset during his days as their drug money money launderer.

 

Yep. It has a neocon agenda. As does the Washington Post. And, in fact, the bulk of the American media.

This is not news btw.