The dilemma of Arabs and Muslims immigrants in Europe

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  1. stan1990

    stan1990 Active Member

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    I wrote a few threads in this forum about politics and religion. In the future, I will write more threads about a variety of subjects like the environment, economy and so on. Members who read my writings need to understand that I don't work as a full-time writer the same as many participants and commentators. For this reason, replying to every question or giving extended details of my views sometimes can be out of my limit. Nobody should describe freedom of speech and expressing an opinion as bigotry. However, ignoring some historical facts and events can influence in a negative way person views and neutrality. I describe myself as a zealot defender of secularism. Defending the history, not religion whatever that is possible is the purpose of my writings.

    The problem of Muslims and Arabs, in general, is their dual views towards many obstacles home or abroad. One of these obstacles is the code of conduct they need to follow in their new country, the infidel west as they describe it. Following the Islamic code of conduct or the western lifestyle is a concern for many Muslims. They receive an overdose of a cultural shock in their first few weeks. While some of them pass the test, others don't make it. In general, the integration of new immigrants is a concern for many European governments. Governments agencies in the U.S, Germany, France, Australia and many others allocated a significant amount of resource for integration efforts, But they failed miserably. The reasons for this failure can be many, below is some of them.

    First of all, many Arabs and Muslims are not ready to accept Western values and lifestyle. They struggle with that dilemma, criticizing Western culture and values while standing in line for hours by the embassies doors waiting for visa approval. They voted for religion at home and chose to live in secular West. Second, they cling to their traditions in a way create great difficulty for the integration efforts. Ideas such as girls practicing sports can lose their virginity is very common among new immigrants. Arranged marriages and polygamy are other examples. Finally, religion attached to their daily lives and practices in a way that keeps them isolated from their new environment and community. They will be looking for Mosques, Islamic schools and centers before asking questions such as where the closest public library or sports center located?

    On the whole, many Arabs and Muslims achieve success and settle in their new country. Muslims and Arabs aren't required to forget the place of their birth, drink Scottish Whisky to prove that they aren't terrorist or stop practicing their faith, the life in the West is not about that at all. The life in the West is about discipline, obey the law, respect your neighbors, to be productive and to make existence there is meaningful.


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  2. MGB ROADSTER

    MGB ROADSTER Banned

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    The Arabs come to Europe en masse, Many are bringing with them a culture of violence.
    They destroy every good part and are slowly succeeding in making Europe look like the worst place they came from.
    They have 21 countries ... Why should they invade Europe?
     
  3. stan1990

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    I agree with you that mass immigration is harmful to Europe. But I don't have a definitive answer to your question. In fact, nobody has satisfied answer for you.
     
  4. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's maybe the values of the USA, but not western Europe. There is a lot traitors to betray traditonnal european values to take american one instead, but that's not our values.
     
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    Thanks for your comments
    I do agree with you to a certain point. Americans are trying to force their own values down European throats. I hope Europe keep its tolerance culture while new immigrants try to adapt and not changing the status quo
     
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    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, tolerance is in our culture for barely 60 years. Tolerance was before never a major european values. By the way, I don't say we should turn into fanatics devouring each other for any small difference, but "tolerance" culture brought only crimes and terrorists attack into europe. Country which don't care of being tolerant in Europe get better than the "tolerant" one.
     
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    People are told to be tolerant by their leaders.
    If you wish to be tolerant, then youre a sucker.
    If the world chooses to be tolerant of the islamic infestation we're all doomed...
     
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    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's a matter of balance, intolerance ripped away Europe many times, but being a carpet isn't a solution either. Common rules and values is what enable people to live together, extreme tolerance can lead for me only to the collapse of the civilization bearing such values.
     
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    Dude, I'm a 1st gen. patriotic US citizen threw and threw & my parents have likewise thrown off the old & embraced the new. Sharia sheite holes hold no allure for me, lol. I am somewhat baffled by the irreverence and indifference that many Americans lapse into, even to the point of denigrating the unparalleled freedoms afforded to us in this great nation.
     
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    There is a big difference between arabs and muslims. There were a time an Italian felt closer of an Egyptian or an inhabitant of nowodays Maghreb. From my point of view, there is two things that can create problems, culture and religion.
    The problem created by different colours of skin can easily be solved by a few decades of interracial marriage.

    You're right, the lack of gratefullness toward their country is a problem which plunder many countries.
     

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