'but this time we'll stay'. The space agency says it wants astronauts to spend more time on the lunar surface as it looks to send them within the next decade." Apart from the fact it must be a slow news day at NASA to announce an intention 10 years ahead, any volunteers? Mind y'don't get killed in the rush! https://news.sky.com/story/nasa-to-...n-once-again-but-this-time-well-stay-11632145
Most NASA projects take more than 10 years of effort. I'm surprised at how FAST they think they can solve the problems that would need to be solved. I'm especially curious how they plan on keeping moonmen from being killed by radiation. One of the leading ideas is to put a shelter inside a crater and then fill the crater so there is 10 feet of moon dirt on top of it. NASA has had some excavator competitions, but thee excavators need to be tiny, and the result is that they won't have the weight necessary to push moon dirt without spinning their tracks. Another idea is to write the hut in a ballon of water - but, of course that requires large quantiities of water and a balloon fabric that can maintain it. Overall, I see this as a disaster for science. The fabulous cost of sending and maintaining a moonman would be a big hit on the science budget. Count me opposed until someone can identify a real reason so much of our space science budget should be dumped into what is surely no more than a show project.
I remember when we first stepped onto the Moon in 1969. I was full of awe and full of dreams. I knew for sure back then we'd have a moon base in ten years. In twenty we'd be sending men to Mars and shortly after, beyond. But all they were were dreams of a 23 year old. I envisioned cities like the Jetson's cartoons to come, I had the feeling there wasn't nothing we couldn't do. So here we sit, still earthbound some 50 years later. Not one of those dreams materialized. It makes no sense to me.
No, the best perch for that would be in Earth orbit In fact, even mining on the moon is problematic, as you would need a booster just to get the product off thee moon. But back to moonmen. I dont know what a moonman could do that robots couldn't do more cheaply. And, that includes mining, producing rocket fuel from water, launching product into space, etc.
But that won't happen because the space scam has taken on a life of its own, and as we know, has become global. The 'scientists' have discovered a bandwagon and naturally enough have climbed aboard it. Thankfully real scientists are deploying their time and skills improving the lot of we mortals on the good ship Planet Earth.
Lets also remember the Kennedy's tax rates on the uber rich were still high coming out of WWII. Kennedy had rates in the 70% https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/about-jfk/jfk-in-history/john-f-kennedy-on-the-economy-and-taxes Nasa better ask who ever is the president at the time to raise some tax dollers for this little sleepover. Trump is not going to have no stomach for another funding battle.
Scientists the worldd over have been studying the universe from the very beginning. The portion of federal revenue going toward exploration of space is pretty darn tiny. And, NASA supplies scientific effort to our military, to climate, to weather, etc. - not just space. Your last sentence makes me think you're mixing up science and engineering. It's engineering that is creating solutions that then get sold to us. Of course there are cases where the line between sciece and engineering is somewhat blurred, such with big pharma. But, your statement is far too close to suggesting that "real scientists" are engineers - not scientists!
Yes, Will, I know that. You're obviously spectacularly missing my entire argument, which is the crap about . . . oh I can't be bothered. If you can't see where I'm coming from by now you never will, so I may as well leave you to it. With respect (and I never say that unless I mean it, and in your case I respect your politeness and obvious good nature) I don't see any point in you and I discussing this subject any further, do you? We're simply going around in circles and getting nowhere. I'm an intelligent man and assure you I'm quite aware that science is theorizing and experimentation, and engineering is often but not always the practical application of the results.
OK, but in that case you aren't letting us know who you think the real scientists are - or who the NOT real scientsists are. That's a fairly severe line to allow to go undefined.
Real scientists produce tangible results for their endeavours, whereas fake scientists er, don't?? I mean how many times do I need to keep saying it before you'll understand? tan·gi·ble (tăn′jə-bəl) adj. 1. a. Discernible by the touch; palpable b. Possible to touch. c. Possible to be treated as fact; real or concrete: tangible evidence. 2. Possible to understand or realize: the tangible benefits of the plan. 3. Law Relating to or being property of a physical nature, such as land, objects, and goods. n. 1. Something palpable or concrete. In other words deeds, not meaningless, exaggerated, or unprovable nonsense impossible to contradict?
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it real. As you've stated before you're not prepared to accept any evidence unless you can see it or understand it. Anything you can't understand is dismissed as fake evidence. Asking for 100% proof just shows how little you understand about science. You keep saying there's no point discussing science but you keep starting threads in which you have no intention of discussing anything as all evidence is dismissed as fake. So the real question is why do you keep starting threads about which you don't know anything, refuse to learn anything, and dismiss anything offered as evidence as fake.
Do you then - believe everything someone tells you, even when they don't evidence it and you don't understand it? Yes or no will suffice?? If NASA said Mars was hollow would you believe it? Yes or no will suffice for that, too. Or this . . . "Nasa images reveal ‘highly unusual’ shape of most distant object ever explored. 'This really is an incredible image sequence, taken by a spacecraft exploring a small world four billion miles away from Earth'" Or this . . . "NASA's Lunar Satellite Has Spotted China's Lander on The Far Side of The Moon" Or this . . . "The moon is made of green cheese', says NASA" FFS get a grip fcs!
of course..................https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/news/a28814/moon-landing-faking/
No I don’t just blindly believe anything, i question and research and try to understand. I also accept things as fact or face value when they and been studied and proven, when checking my change I don’t start off with a proof that 1+1=2 accept the fact that it’s true. Why can’t you grasp the fact that it depends on the evidence. If I was shown the evidence then yes I would have to believe it. The problem is that there is evidence, but you refused to even try to understand any of it. You’ve been shown how we can communicate with probes and the mars rover and how we can land on a asteroid. Even starting at basic maths and physics and all you do is go into denial or conspiracy mode. Why don’t you pick a topic and go through it step by step.
That doesn't prove it happened, it merely proves you've read an article declaring that it did. We live in an age of self-serving lying and deceit, and this is a part of it.
Not much point in reading it if I'm not going to believe it is there? Words are just that - words. Tangible evidence is what I need, not meaningless or self-serving waffle by those with an agenda.
LOL I would add what an unbelievable <full in the needed word> but there are rules about insulting other posters no matter how well deserve. Hell for myself I am not 100 percent convince that the earth in a sphere floating in space going around the sun an not instead being supported on the back of a large turtle. Can the Hindu mythology be wrong after all?
So the fact that lasers at that time where not capable of producing the needed effect is not tangible enough for you. In your mind nothing can be proven unless you have experienced it yourself, yet you take a hundred things a day you rely on at face value with no proof.
No, I don't insist on seeing these things myself, only that those commentators who are impartial and independent from the source of the information confirm them.
We live in an era where too many people can not or will not used reason or logic and due to the internet can spread their conclusions far and wide. For those who are not into logic faking such a program with thousands of people involves and the world watching including the Russians would take far more effort then going to the moon. For myself I was at the launching of two of the moon ships that did shake the ground and the one night launch lite the night up to the point you could read small print. Awesome indeed.
