Holocaust denial primarily exists to fool people and to make them accept Nazi ideology as a legal option of social order. There are much more Nazi criminals who freely told their story. For example Rudolf Hoess, former commander of the Auschwitz death camp.
Thank you. I have repeatedly stated that I do not deny that the holocaust happened. Those who state otherwise are simply lying. I've studied it and that tragic era for over 50 years, continue to study it with an objective view and spoken with countless genuine survivors of all nationalities. Not one of them mentioned gas chambers or other grisly, sado-machochistic fantasies related by the innumerable holocaust frauds & members of what has become a morbid holocaust cult religion. Yes, for many, the holocaust has become a gruesome cult religion that permits no independent thought & demands the same blind obedience as Nazism, itself. The simple fact that there were over 150,000 Jews in Germany's WW2 military(1) and Nazi party(2) who rose to the highest ranks, alone, should inspire others to think for themselves. How is it possible that so many Jews could be Generals, Admirals and high ranking members of the Nazi Party if they were all so ruthlessly persecuted? Finally, how is it possible that the same Israelis who repeatedly scold the world for not saving Europe's Jews from a brutal & racist regime enact similar, racist "Nationality Laws" & support ethnic cleansing(3) so widely? One would think that if the holocaust were so horrific that Israel's Jews would be the least likely to support such ugly similarities to a regime they should despise. How quickly the admonition, "Never forget" has been forgotten by the same people who should remember it most. (1) "AS MANY AS 150000 JEWS SERVED IN HITLERS MILITARY" https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as-many-as-150000-jews-served-in-hitlers-military/ EXCERPT "As many as 150000 Jews served in Hitlers military, some with the Nazi leader's explicit consent, according to a U.S. historian who has interviewed hundreds of former soldiers. Bryan Mark Rigg, history professor at the American Military University in Virginia, told Reuters on Thursday that the issue of soldiers of partial Jewish descent was long a somewhat taboo subject, overlooked by most academics as it threw up thorny questions."CONTINUED (2) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent, including notable people in Nazi German service, such as Schutzstaffel members, who were of non-Germanic descent. Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish descent. There were also many of Slavic descent."CONTINUED “Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds” http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/almost-half-of-israeli-jews-want-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html EXCERPT “Almost half of Jewish Israelis believe Arabs should be "expelled or transferred" from Israel, a survey has found. A study carried out by the Pew Research Centre found that around one in five adults questioned “strongly agreed” with the controversial statement, which amounts to ethnic cleansing under some definitions."CONTINUED
'' Dude, that;s common knowledge to anyone who didn't live under a rock all their life. Here, google this, and you will get lots of hits, even videos, You pick out the one you want. Adolf Eichmann admitted to the millions of Jews killed by the Nazis,
I was asking about the alleged interview with the pro Nazi reporter. Meanwhile: Where are the millions of bodies? There was never enough coal/coke at any of the camps to cremate millions of people and even after cremation, there are bones & teeth left. Where are they? Allied air photos report no large coal/coke piles at any of the camps or large amounts of smoke from the crematoria.
Re: That's precisely my point. The standard holocaust narrative is ubiquitous but virtually no one has heard of Genrikh Yagoda, for example, who killed 10 million. Aren't the stories of his victims and survivors as noteworthy as those of Hitler's victims and if not, why not? From Russia, to India, to China to the Killing Fields of Cambodia, at east 100 million people have suffered equal or greater cruelties & few even know one perpetrator. Meanwhile, names like " Eichmann, Himmler, Goering etc" are: "...common knowledge to anyone who didn't live under a rock all their life." It's time to take the blinders off, look at history more broadly and act on the lessons we are supposed to have learned about mankind's capacity for cruelty in other places at home & around the planet. Maybe it's a coincidence, but Rachel Corrie was murdered exactly 16 years ago, today, doing just that: standing up for the persecuted native residents of Palestine. It is a tragic irony that the persecutors of Palestine's native residents were so recently among the persecuted themselves. So much for learning the lessons of the holocaust.
The Holocaust - enabled by Wall Street Republicans: https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_Hitler.pdf
I am watching Pilger's The Coming War on China. I am hearing about how the United States first of all deceived the people of Bikini Island to let them destroy atomic bombs there for 12 years - having told them they were doing something for the good of the world. They then deliberately sent them back so that they could get evidence of how they were affected by radiation absolutely knowing it was not safe. Men, women and children were sent to be desperately ill, to get cancer and die. All deliberately. It is easy seeing how the United States was more than happy to allow some of the worst Nazis into the US. They are two of the same. Why is it we do not honour these people when we go on about the suffering of Jews at the hands of Mengele. This is as bad but has gone on and on and on for decades. They are still suffering. Why do we not speak about this and say 'never again'. So much death and suffering, all needless, all performed deliberately on the people of the Marshall Islands because they did not see them as human beings like you and me. It is easy to see when watching this why people say the only reason people were upset about the holocaust was because it was against white people.
I do not agree. Perhaps you can explain the difference in mentality in the Nazis who believed there was no problem with using Jews as guinea pigs for medical experiments without their permission and the US who used the people of Bikini as guinea pigs for experimentation on the effects of people living in a zone irradiated by nuclear bombs without their permission - on the contrary telling them it was safe resulting in men women and children suffering life long injuries, cancer and death. It is without question the same mentality. The Nazis did not see Jews as human beings and the Americans did not see the people of the Marshall Islands as human beings. Is the difference you see that Jews are white and the people of the Marshall Islands brown. I can see no other.
Re: Please be a little more specific as in which "white people". The theme of America's innumerable holocaust museums seems to put very little focus on the suffering of the Danes, Swedes, the Roma, the Slavs, Frenchmen, etc. Few people have even heard of Holodomor whose victims were exclusively white people.
Well I obviously did not give that too much thought. I had heard people saying that they believed that the only reason Europeans cared about what happened to Jews was because for once it was whites. The Germans for instance did at least one genocide in Africa, something which the German people were disgusted at but which appears to have been a forerunner. The extent to which other Europeans went as far as genocide I do not know but they certainly killed millions. No one has ever been bothered. I am afraid I am unaware of the issues with the French Danes and Swedes. I was particularly thinking of medical experiments as that was what was being done with the people of Bikini. That would include the Roma but they I would think would not be considered white. I missed the Holodomor. That was behind the iron curtain. We did not bother about that and nor did they to any degree. I remember when I heard about the killings and the way the people of Croatia were killing their minorities, Muslims as well as Jews and I think even people of the wrong version of Christianity. I could not believe it. It was totally barbaric and to children as well. Apparently Himmler was sick when he saw what there doing and that they were doing it to children. I realised then there would appear to be a good part of the story not told. East Europe got away without having the slurs against their character the Germans got.
It's really hard to keep track of all the extensive cruel & barbaric mass killings that have occurred since just 1900 and I believe all the Colonial Powers were guilty of genocides in the colonies they occupied with the British being among the most ruthless occupiers(1). The "heroic" Winston Churchill, alone, is responsible for 3 million starvation deaths in India, alone(2) and Mao killed 45 million unfortunate souls(3) but the WW2 era, European holocaust is the most heavily hyped mass tragedy via our myopic Western MSM. A day doesn't pass when I run across another holocaust survivor story or reference to "6 million Jews" when WW 2 consumed about 10 times as many souls. I believe you mentioned, earlier that : "... the only reason people were upset about the holocaust was because it was against white people." however the primary focus of grisly holocaust museums, movies, "documentaries" etc seems to be on Jewish suffering when so many religious & ethnic groups suffered atomic incineration, fire bombing, torture and other horrific abuses. It is at least my contention that all human suffering is equally profound, worthy of our attention & instructional. Why is there such an obsessive focus on the WW 2 era holocaust at the expense of the innumerable other equal or greater tragedies? (1) "British Have Invaded 193 Countries…" http://www.countercurrents.org/polya230115.htm EXCERPT "However the British invasion of Australia on 26 January 1788 ultimately destroyed as many as 600 unique Indigenous Australian tribes and a comparable number of languages and dialects (it is estimated that in 1788 there were 300 distinct Aboriginal language groups and 750 dialects of which only 150 survive) , this making the Australian Aboriginal Genocide qualitatively the worst genocide in human history. Australia 's quantitatively worst genocide was the WW2 Bengali Holocaust in which the British with Australian complicity deliberately starved 6-7 million Indians to death for strategic reasons ( Australia withholding food from its huge wartime grain stocks) "CONTINUED (2) "Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster" https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/ (3) "Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years'" https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html
whatever, my point was that at a time when the US was believing itself to be superior to the Nazis it itself was involved in similar behaviour.
Yes, I agree. I have always maintained that no, single race, nationality, ethnic group or religion has a monopoly on either Good or Evil. The barbarity exhibited by Zionist Jews during the Nakba(1) illustrates how quickly the persecuted can almost immediately become the persecutors "DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE (9 April 194" https://www.qassam.ps/occupation_terrorism-1200-DEIR_YASSIN_MASSACRE_9_April_1948.html EXCERPT "The tactics of the Zionist Jews were to frighten defenseless people into fleeing their homes out of fear for their lives. Two hundred and fifty people were slaughtered. Mutilating the bodies, even before death, the culprits cut off parts and opened the bellies of others. Nursing babies were butchered on the bosoms of helpless mothers. Of those two hundred and fifty people, twenty-five pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive. Fifty-two children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and then they were slain and their heads cut off. Their mothers were in turn massacred and their bodies mutilated. About sixty other women and girls were also killed and their bodies mutilated. Such are the historical facts concerning the horrible crime perpetrated against the Arab village of Deir Yassin."CONTINUED
DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE Grau, you should no better than to stoop to conspiracy theories. The real story is available.
The Red Cross thoroughly documented the "real story" for all to read. Just because Hollywood's selective sensibilities prohibit it from from relating atrocities committed by Jewish butchers doesn't mean that the Nakba is a "conspiracy theory. The head of the Red Cross delegation, Jacques de Reynier, witnessed the aftermath of the Deir Yassin massacre & was repulsed by both the carnage & the demented Jewish savages who committed them. "Details of Zionist Massacre at Deir Yassin" http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...08-details-of-zionist-massacre-at-deir-yassin EXCERPT "A combined force of Irgun and Stern Gangs committed a brutal massacre of 260 Arab residents of the village of Deir Yassin. Most of whom were women and children. The Israeli hordes even attacked the dead to satisfy their bestial tendencies. In April, 1954, during Holy Week, and on the eve of Easter, The Christian cemeteries in Haifa were invaded, crosses broken down and trampled under the feet of these miscreants, and the tombs desecrated. The Israeli military conquest, therefore was made against a defenseless people, who had been softened up by such earlier massacres as Deir Yasin (250 Arabs; men, women and children were massacred there). Two hundred and fifty people were slaughtered. Mutilating the bodies, even before death, the culprits cut off parts and opened the bellies of others. Nursing babies were butchered on the bosoms of helpless mothers. Of those two hundred and fifty people, twenty-five pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive. Fifty-two children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and then they were slain and their heads cut off. Their mothers were in turn massacred and their bodies mutilated. About sixty other women and girls were also killed and their bodies mutilated. Such are the historical facts concerning the horrible crime perpetrated against the Arab village of Deir Yassin."CONTINUED
Even the Red cross did not conduct a full investigation. There is a lot more to this than the propaganda papers produce. Much is available online.
Well, at least we agree that "Much is available online". Unfortunately, the barbarous atrocities committed by Zionist Terrorists & militant Jewish colonists during the Nakba meet or exceed anything seen in either World War proving once again that no single ethnic group, religion or nationality has a monopoly on either Good or Evil.
None of them have a monopoly on evil, it comes from people in all groups. Some more than others, and that depends on brainwashing and teachings.
Are you serious ? Do not take the subject into black or white issue. The Nazis burnt babies alive ! The evil evil evil Germans did horrible and monstrous things to Jews and others. There has never been a darker period since man started to write history. Many countries did bad things in WW2 .. i think Russia prevailed over everyone.. They are NOT two of the same. They were NEVER two of the same, They will never be. Next.
"HYPERBOLIC HOLO HYSTERIA" Re: Source please. Meanwhile, the most babies who were burned alive were the German infant victims of indiscriminate Allied firebombing of civilian targets. Intentionally executing innocent civilians by firing squad is no more heinous than mass execution of civilians via firebombing and, if anything, a more humane way to kill. “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.” Winston Churchill(*) On the subject of who was most "evil", why can't you make up your mind? The Germans, you claim are "evil evil evil" yet if the Russians "...prevailed over everyone..." as far as those who did "bad things", they would get 4 or 5 "evils" as in "evil, evil, evil, evil, Russians" The fact is that the German WW2 military was comprised of about 2 million non Germans including 150,000 Jews, numerous Slavs, Frenchmen, Spaniards, Arabs, Ukrainians etc so atrocities committed by individuals in German uniforms could have been from any national, religious or ethnic group. Finally, I must agree with "Alexa" in that intentionally killing civilians from the air is no different from intentionally killing them on the ground. (*) "Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster" https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/ (1) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?" https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102 EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis."CONTINUED
I don't know why there was such a variety of ethnic groups, religions, nationalities etc that joined Germany's WW2 Military. The author lists the many different people of all backgrounds around the world who volunteered to fight in Germany's WW 2 Military and notes that they were all treated equally by the German High Command EXCERPT "The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did. Even after Stalingrad; Spaniards, Slavs, Franks, and tens of- thousands of other non-Germans continued to fight for the Nazis on a volunteer basis. Frenchmen and Arab volunteers gave their lives in the final fight for the capital of Berlin in 1945. Hitler continued to allow thousands of Jewish men to serve, and many did so with incredible tenacity and valor. One has to call into question whether all of these Jewish men and other non-Germans were really as opposed to the Nazi regime as they have claimed after the fact. Their tenacity and determination suggests otherwise in many cases. The Jewish soldiers Bernhard Rogge, Helmuth Wilberg, Erhard Milch, and Ernst Prager come to mind. The Nazis never racially segregated their troops. Blacks, Slavs, Asians, and Arabs fought shoulder-to-shoulder with Germans."CONTINUED(1) When I lived, studied and worked in what was then W. Germany in the mid 1970s, one job was cutting stone for an older German stone mason who had been a young Waffen SS officer on the Eastern Front. Because it was summertime and warm, we drank beer during the afternoon & talked while building walls etc. Neither of us talked much about our vastly different military experiences but after coming to know my co-worker, I cannot imagine him committing or participating in an atrocity any more than I would. I remember that in one candid, slightly intoxicated moment he said: "We didn't fight for Hitler, we fought for each other." which is a pretty universal sentiment among soldiers and explains why the German morale was reasonably high until the end. Military service is the ideal place to learn that a person's blood type is more important than their religion, skin color or nationality. (1) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?" https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102
While Hitler is probably one of the most widely known names, the individual, himself, is rarely viewed in a calm, rational and objective light. Because he has been demonized ad absurdum, it seems even more logically flawed to predict what he might have done. In addition to promoting Jewish individuals to the highest ranks in Germany's WW2 Military(1), he even honored German Jews who had served in WW 1 that resided in Palestine(2) Who do you think he would have turned on and why? (1) "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers" https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587 EXCERPT "Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought-perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals."CONTINUED (2) "When Hitler Honored Jewish Soldiers" https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.602868 EXCERPT "The Nazi regime conferred honors on many of the 100,000 Jews who fought in the German army in the Great War, even on some who had already escaped to Palestine."CONTINUED
