What's going on with Brexit?

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You could have read it first. Then you would know if was about reality and not just childish I'm right your wrong.
     
  2. The Rhetoric of Life

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    I'm just saying, what that video says around 33 minutes in about Corbyn being the Prime Minister this year being likely and that being a good thing; I mean, did the gentleman in the video you posted see Corbyn's conduct yesterday?
     
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    This Brexit story starts to look like a soap opera.
    I hope queen Victoria isn't watching this. :dizzy:
     
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    Farage makes The Dotard of the US look like an honest man and Dotard is a hard act to follow.

    As it was explained to you, the Commissioners are just the enforcers, they do not make policies.
    They advice the council of 27
     
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    Free trade does only exist in Free Trade Zones, not outside of them. And the UK is about to leave the only one it belongs to.
     
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    The Brexit deal is not about a trade deal, but about a orderly exit from the EU. If the UK desires, after leaving, the EU is open to talk about a trade deal.
    Till the UK leaves, officially the UK is bound to the EU contract and can not negotiate on its own, like wise the UK will benefit to that moment from the trade deals of the EU.

    Once out of the EU, the UK can do what it wants and has, except for the Brexit contract no obligations to the EU.

    Always 1 step at a time.

    But, first step, the UK has to get its crap together and leave, which it apparently can not do.

    The EU did not kill its deal with the US. It was the circumstances of US politics and the change of Government to the Idiot in Chief, which killed the treaty. The Idiot in Chief would have pulled out of it anyhow, " So unfair " , like TTP.
    Same time they finished of and signed the Free Trade Treaty with Canada
     
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    My mother told me as a kid, when I complaint this is not fair, show me on your birth certificate, were it says fair.
    The countries of the EU have signed a contract, you know what that is, with wich they hand over international economic deals to the EU.
    Simple as that.
    Because of it the UK can not cut deals with individual countries of the EU.
    Simple as that.
    I would say you can no be more democratic, giving ever single country just one vote. May it be small or over powering large.

    I guess you have not learned, that what you call fairness, does not exist in real live.
     
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    Don't be to sure of it.
     
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    ...so nothing to do with the Germans and Greenpeace moaning about climate change and GMOs and other environmental crap like that then...??
     
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    You might want to rethink that.
    For 40 some years the UK has been under the protecting umbellar of the EU. Treated like a spoiled child.
    Outside of that protection is the real world, full of sharks, like China, or the US and naturally the EU, or the TTP countries.
    Good luck with that world after getting spoiled for 40 years, by the nanny EU
     
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    Nope.
    The failure was in the US, I live here since 30 years, the Obama government knew it could not finish it in time and both parties decided to let it rest.
    The election result put an end to it.

    Simple as that.
     
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    They should have not, it would be against what the EU stands for.
    The question does the EU think it is a country ?

    Answer : not yet, might be in the far future, which is the goal.
    Surprise, surprise.
     
  14. The Rhetoric of Life

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    MPs are urged to back the PM's deal with the EU for extension Vs. crashing out without a deal and going WTO trading?

    Is that actually an option anymore?
    Can there still be a no deal WTO Brexit?
     
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    Not that deal.
    The US hasn't been in a position to forge a trade deal with the UK yet due to the UK's respect of the EU's request of no new deals until this divorce is sorted.
    Any trade deals killed by the US was because this administration believes in borders and favours bilateral trade over blocs with hostile regulations making it hard on goods coming in from America.
    Don't blame Donald Trump for not liking the EU being hostile towards American export.
    Any future trade deals could be killed if the UK and EU stay more or less the same.
    So ask yourself, why would the UK want what it's exiting?
     
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    Well, that's a horrid future.
    Why can't Germany be it's own country without free trade spanning rich and poor economies?
    I mean, look at Brexit, UK knows it's its own country.
     
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    Look at the EU as an experiment.
    Then look at Greek debt in German pockets.
    Then look at quantitative easing of the Euro.
    Then look at Brexit. A no deal, no divorce bill no Irish backstop Brexit.
     
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    Stop ...
    The Greeks were looking for our help in the 2008 crash, but the Greeks mistakenly thought that, as in the past, Germany would simply pull out the checkbook, shut up and pay the mess of others. These times are over ... and everyone else has finally come to accept and accept! Or does anyone seriously believe that we are burning our tax dollars in a Greek black hole of total state inability?
    What quantitative easing of the EURO? This currency is far more stable and secure as your GBP!
    And yes ... Brexit with no deal = British suicide of trolls who have no knowledge about their own British economy, the WTO rules and for sure not about the ... in general and always ... guilty EU at all!

    Why can't the British simply stop to play the ignorant idiot and spread around fake news and stop to blame the Germans for all and everything what is running bad at them on their island, due to own British incompetence?
     
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    huh...where do you get that from...?
     
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    Yes, the EU is a experiment, a very daring one and it has made all its members rich.
    Look at the Greek debt in French pockets, too.
    Greece would have been belly up, without the help from the European countries, now it is recovering, same for Portugal and Spain. Italy's wild government is slowly understanding, that it needs to play by the rules, because the country can not survive without the EU.
    None of the small European countries can survive standing alone.
    Japan understands it and pushed TTP, after the US pulled out and signed a Free Trade agreement with the EU.
    Why did the US not pull out of NAFTA, despite threatening to do so and made last minute serious concession with Canada.
    Hard Brexit means no trade deals in a world of trade deals and than the UK is shark bait.
     
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    There is no free trade in a world of trade agreements.
    Germany is its own country, but understands, that its wealth depends on the protective umbrella of the EU.
    You can easily brake a single straw, but it needs serious strength to brake a bundle.
    What was the reason behind the EEC, braking that endless cycle of war in central Europe, by building a economical and political union. The closer those countries work together the less likely the chance of war.

    It has worked rather good, I would say.

    Look at the straw again, The Idiot in Chief threatens Germanies Automobile industry with tariffs, but found out he can not single out one country in the EU, because the EU would instantly react with counter tariffs, not Germany but the whole EU and that hurts.
     
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    ....well...no not really...
     
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    The EU are idiots for wanting free trade with America but wanting it to be one way traffic of EU exports in America and not American exports in the EU making it harder for Americans to sell in Europe.

    In other words, the EU wants a treaty to dump onto another market, and America said no.
    That makes the EU an idiot for thinking they could do that.
     
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    Hard Brexit means no trade deal with the EU.
    The EU isn't the world.
    Got America saying they're ready for a deal if the EU doesn't scare us into a deal.
    https://news.sky.com/story/were-rea...wants-to-partner-with-brexit-britain-11670385

    This is real life, this isn't some fairy tale. Get real EU, as Nigel Farage once said
     
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    I think he means freedom of movement from unskilled migrants in the UK messing with wages and takin' our jerbs.
    [​IMG]
    Like, freedom of movement says someone can just settle and work, no questions asked, so when it spans economies (rich ones, that's us, poor ones, that's a lot of the EU), we don't get paid a livable wage and we'd never afford a house.

    I think they're eluding to protectionism, and a belief that it's wrong to say no to the EU.
     
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