50 dead in Christchurch, NZ mosque shootings

I'm sure many/all of us have heard the news this week.

It's sad.

Got 3 year old, 4 year old victims, many young lives, many lives taken while at their places of worship.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/16/asia/christchurch-new-zealand-mosque-shooting-latest/index.html

 

I am extremely surprised at the little response on such an issue in this area. Considering it was a native Australian who perpetrated such a gutless act. We have nothing but complaints of censorship of video and conspiracy theories.


Most Australians are shocked at what occurred and feel shame that one of their own could carry out such atrocities. The hate this grub spewed without discord and the fact the he could go to NZ and commit this act. Many questions have to be answered and much has to be examined.

I would include even on these pages the hate we see posted simply to vilify others while trying to portray some sort of opinionated fact. Should his online activity put him on a watch list??? If it did, there would be a hell of a big list now…

When it comes to political issues, little in this area tops this and yet, few comment because??? They seem to consider this forum a way to insult, I guess…

 

This act, just like the inverse terrorists acts, in themselves create nothing more than tragedy, heartache, orphans and tears.

It is the publicity, the debates, the "eggings", the notoriety, the divisions, the TERROR they create that is the reasoning for these things.

The more notoriety, the more chance of some other fruitloop wanting stardom.

 

Hope you don’t take offence.


Inverse terrorism??? Are you suggesting that terrorism has a variety??? Terrorism is terrorism no matter who commits it. In the past it has been predominantly Middle eastern but it is not subjugated to the Middle East.


We must label things to what they are. The one thing this act shows is that no matter who commits the act and why, it is terrorism at the basis. I loathe to say, that senator dip sh*t has a point when he claims immigration has something in the point. Only to the delusion of the terrorist who committed these heinous act. Should we consider this as discussion point??? No, the only value that should be put into that point is how it was over looked with the hate he posted.

But enough of that…

It could be that simple and I cannot refute, but I do wonder. When it comes to the act, notoriety would be little motive I would imagine. But I have been wrong…

No matter what politician has stood to announce their support for the New Zealand people, nobody has been better than the NZ prime Minister. I think we can agree on that.

We do need to look at these points and more. Today, Australia is finally starting to address the hatred posted Trolling and other forms of hate speech. But we need to figure out just what hate speech is and what freedom of speech is to actually identify radical elements. There is just so much Australia needs to do to help stop the spread of such ignorant hate.

 

I see your 50
and raise you 65.

https://news.yahoo.com/115-reported-dead-attack-central-malian-village-180514203.html

115 reported dead after attack on central Malian village​

BAMAKO, Mali (AP) — Militia fighters descended on a village in central Mali before dawn Saturday, killing at least 115 people in the latest deadly attack blamed on an ethnic militia, local authorities said.

The victims "included pregnant women, young children and the elderly," according to Abdoul Aziz Diallo, president of a Peulh group known as Tabital Pulaaku.


Are they lives of lesser value?
Or is it just an Africa thing?


Moi

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Moi,
it is a human thing that we take stronger notice when such atrocities are committed in our neighborhood as compared to events far away. Not trying to excuse, but that's the way it is. And you might be also right, as it is an African thing.....
And I am still standing here and urge all human beings to condemn weapon, make your voice heard wherever you live!!!!!
Cats

 

Me too.

 

@garry17
@The Rhetoric of Life

But, what about Mali and equal "response".
#5 above.

There is also the phenomena of "Compassion Fatigue".
The 21st Century seems to provoke it most with continued horror and suffering in our face.
More news at eleven

 

Terrorism comes from all cultures and religions, However the overwhelming majority of it, (85%) comes from Islam.
That leaves 15% total, from every other religion, or culture on earth combined.

We need to look at why, and actually address it, instead of slithering around it.

The religion of Islam is a terrorist organization.
Muhammed was a terrorist,
He instructs his men to be terrorist.

We need to admit a problem exists before we can try to change it.

 

The mass of people murdered were attending places of worship in NZ which, last I heard, wasn't a war zone. Think when a baby dies of any creed it's a sad thing little lone the targeting of a community. It's sad.

All this far right in the occident is what all the far right Daesh Islamic world want.

 

It seems to me that Daesh and other groups of the same mentality, just want Islam restored as it is documented,
naturally with them in power.

 

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Tried to find those figures, could you please supply a link.

 

Do you really need a link LR, you must be aware thousands of Yazidi women and children were taken as slaves, raped and used as cannon fodder.... a genocide, this alone could easily account for the vast majority of those stats. Add Boko Harem kidnappings to the equation it's clear there is no comparison

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL

 

https://www.bing.com/search?q=90%+o...ce8af494fb20eaed6a58607a3&cc=US&setlang=en-US


I used an older figure of 85 percent to give me some wiggle room.
BTW 70% is Sunni Islam.( But that may have changed a little by now.

 

I think the biggest difference between the "who commits more terrorism" argument is this;

those who say Right-wingers are internally focussed... they look only inside their borders
those who say Islamists are externally focussed.... they look inside and outside their borders

 

There is no left or fight wing for Islam.

It is religiously motivated, and written very plainly in the religions documentation.

Muhammed was a terrorist.

You have in the messenger a beautiful pattern of conduct to follow. (Qur'an )

 

I wasn't implying a left and right in Islam... I was referring to Western extremist Right wing terror attacks vs terror attacks by Islamist extremists.

There is this notiion or fallacy by some that the Right Wing extremists pose the bigger threat. The Right wing extremists only pose a threat in western countries because our anti terror agencies have done a good job controlling islamist extremismn (within our borders) outside it's a massive problem

 

No, We don't have the Islamic population percentage it takes to get a lot of terror here. And we have an ocean separating us.
The numbers are predictable.
We will have different forms of terror here, ( Skinhead) etc. until the muslim population gets bigger.

 

Although msm insist that we delve into the ideology of the shooter, in their usual hypocritical manner, they never ever delve into the ideology of islam.
No islamic apologist is prepared to do that, nor will the hypocritical media ever attempt to do this.
Of course the media will insist that to do this, it would be islamophobic.
Do I detect a hidden agenda by the media...perish the thought....
People all over the world seem afraid to delve into the ideology of islam, its history, the doubts
of its origin, its lies and its filth.

 

And I firmly believe the reason is money.

We have supposed friends in some Islamic countries, we don't, but it is played that we do.

If we condemn Islam as the reason for terror, we are stepping on the toes of our friends.

So we have to pretend it is something different, not the religious ideology.

 

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/03/hugh-fitzgerald-down-under-and-over-the-top
Deary me, youre not suggesting that our msm is corrupt are you....that there is some sort
of monetary kickback involved here....perish the thought now......that would never happen....

But what a can of worms the stupid NZ PM has opened by insisting that we all embrace islam...
I sympathize for anyone murdered in any circumstances...however, I will never, ever, embrace
islam.....
Of course, no-one on this forum will even read the link I have posted with this comment....
Its too damning.....

 

NO, Not a kickback, but rather the world deals with the muslim countries.
Some of these are supposed to be our friends. Like Saudi Arabia, the people who brought you 9/11.

We can't condemn Islam in another country we don't get along with, without spitting in the face of our phony friends.

 

We cant do that.....take thoroughbred racing for example.... of course Australia and the rest of the world has to suck up to Godolphin Racing...imagine the effect it would have on thoroughbred racing if anyone upset Godolphin...deary me....
Thoroghbred Racing in Australia is huge...propped up by Godolphin...we cant upset them, now can we....
On another topic...the Washington Post apparently has an article suggesting
that islam is not a religion...thats a start.....
"The argument has been circulating for some time, but it has gained ground in recent years, at least partly because the voices making the argument have a prominent platform in the Trump administration. Former national security adviser Michael Flynn said “Islam is a political ideology” that “hides behind the notion of it being a religion.” Former White House aide Sebastian Gorka and former White House chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon have also questioned Islam’s status as a religion. Frank Fleitz, who in 2018 was named chief of staff for President Trump’s National Security Council, has said in the past that American Muslims are susceptible to a “radical worldview that wants to destroy modern society, create a global caliphate and impose sharia law on everyone on Earth.”…

 

This is what I have said for years, and here again we need the American people to be exposed to this.
To learn what the religion is all about.

 

May I remind you that everyone is talking about it...not just me....perhaps you should climb down from your ivory tower and condemn everyone..not just me..but then again youve been trolling me for years....