"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

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  1. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    You didn't answer the question; which didn't surprise. Why does data envelopment analysis show that national health care is more efficient?
     
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    Then you need another brain cell.

    Finland's economy finally came crashing down because they don't have the money
    to support their failed healthcare system. Didn't you see the news? Sweden is next and
    the Netherland's have closed 1 out of 5 hospitals. Did you forget about Greece?

    Thank goodness we don't have single payer. Let's get the government completely out
    of the healthcare business.
     
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    and with that statement, you have destroyed any credibility you have, or any chance you will ever be taken seriously. Well done
     
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    Given the public good characteristics associated with healthcare, that would undoubtedly be irrational.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Because it's irrelevant. What's important, and you ran from the fact, is that
    Finland's economy came crashing down because they can't afford their healthcare.
    Sweden isn't doing well, the Netherlands are closing hospitals and let's not forget
    Greece.

    We don't need government healthcare.
     
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    Economic efficiency is irrelevant? Wowsers!
     
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    Nope, it means you'll believe anything. Peer reviewed means nothing except
    that those who agree with the text.

    If anybody's credibility is destroyed it's your. Now how about the important
    question, Finland's economy came crashing down last week because they
    can't afford the healthcare they created. Sweden is close behind and the
    Netherland's are closing hospitals. Do you like this. Why do you want to do the
    same thing to the greatest healthcare system on Earth?
     
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    Post-truth society summed up!
     
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    Yes. It may be efficient, doubtful, but it costs far more than we can afford.

    Why are you dodging the Finland story? Because it doesn't comply with your
    mantra? C'mon stop dodging and start talking.

    Good grief.
     
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    Facts are summed up. I see you're still running from the fact that your model of
    healthcare came crashing down because they can't afford it.

    Do facts really bother you that much? Seriously, do they?

    I'll bet you'll run again. Why, because the truth hurts and you don't like it.
    LOL
     
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    You do struggle with logic. First, the evidence shows it is more efficient. Second, DEA is an input-output approach. It means you get more output (e.g. operations) for every dollar spent. Think before you type!
     
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    Ah, still running from the FACT that Finland's economy came crashing down
    because of their healthcare system.
     
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    This is just rant. I don't shy away from peer reviewed research. I acknowledge the obvious: it is an important quality control measure and referring to such research is best practice. Try and get a PhD by just typing LOL?
     
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    Yes. Ah, still running from the FACT that Finland's economy came crashing down
    because of their healthcare system.
     
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    Again you cannot respond to what is said. Aren't you aware of the economic definition of public goods? Can you deny that healthcare has public good characteristics?
     
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    Still running from the truth are you.
    Finland's economy came crashing down because of their healthcare system.
    Deal with it.
     
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    So your argument is that Finland saw their economic collapse (which they didn't) because they chose more efficient health care (which they did)? Yep, that's credible!
     
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    Nope. it means you have zero credibility. And it means you don't understand how evidence works, lol.
     
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    lol, it's cheaper than our system.
     
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    No, I don't struggle with logic, but you do.

    You'd rather have an efficient system that fails, like Finland, that one that provides
    the best healthcare in the world.

    That, my friend, is illogical to the max.

    Try again?
     
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    I see you're still ranting about efficiency. You'd rather have an efficient system that fails,
    like Finland, that one that provides the best healthcare in the world.

    Why are you running from the truth about the failure of socialized medicine?
     
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    You'd rather have an efficient system that fails, like Finland, that one that provides
    the best healthcare in the world. Got it.
     
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    But the systems don't fail. And we aren't even in the top 20 in terms of quality healthcare, as I've repeatedly proven to you.
     
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    Nope, it means you have a red herring so you don't have to talk about how
    socialized medicine is a complete failure. C'mon why else would you run from
    that fact?

    You'd rather have an efficient system that fails, like Finland, that one that provides
    the best healthcare in the world.
     

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