Georgia House passes monument protection measure

Who? John? Sean? Julian?
Which is it?

 

What is a traitor?

1. a person who is not loyal or stops being loyal to their own country, social class, beliefs, etc.

Sounds like Cofederates.

 

Not relevant to the topic.

 

You are also confused.

 

Who is closing churches?

 

So with your logic, you hate all Veterans of Vietnam.

 

I was talking about monuments.

 

I guess they still don't know how to petition to make tye issue a ballot decisions either. That's a real shame.

 

Agreed once you clean up all the graffiti that defaces the statutes and monuments and repair the damage to what has been destroyed.

 

When Southern state houses become Democrat controlled again they will.

 

The same extremist nuts that want to step on parts of the Bill of Rights they don't like.

 

nope, you want to destroy history, we should lever the graffiti there as it is part of history now

 

Show evidence of one church/place of worship that has been closed by those you claim to have done so.

 

You don't know how to get an issue on a state ballot either? Grassroots signature collection. Meet the number of sigs ... issue goes on ballot. States legislature is out of the picture.

 

I very well could deplore the United States where slavery existed all those years. The Framers betrayed the ideals espoused in the Declaration of Independence and expressed by Founders such as James Otis, Jr. who declared that blacks possessed the same natural rights as whites during his arguments in Paxton's Case in 1761. Furthermore, they knew they betrayed those ideals and that they were inviting disaster upon this country by allowing that betrayal and hypocrisy to persist. We're all familiar with Thomas Jefferson's testimony to that fact.

On the other hand, unlike the Confederacy, the existence of the United States was not predicated on the existence, perpetuation and expansion of chattel slavery, and my dissatisfaction with the CSA and its leadership extends well beyond the issue of slavery.

Finally, I'm not a Nihilist. I can still love my country and my state despite their imperfections, which I have never sought to hide or deny. That's why I can support the preservation of the CW monuments here in Virginia and elsewhere because they are part of our history but only a part. There's more to the United States of America and the Commonwealth of Virginia than slavery, and I feel the same way about the rest of the states in the South. This region is my home and its people are my family and neighbors and I'm extremely fond of them both. It's those very sentiments that brought me to an understanding with the men who fought for the South during the Civil War. Like I said before, if I were in their position I might have made the same choice they made.

 

There are plenty that have been burned. Do you own research. We are not going to allow what is happening in other countries to happen here. Commies banned churches in Russia in the past. The middle east still doesn't want Christians. Then there is the problem of anti Semitism that is on the rise.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10124/london-mosques-churches

 

Brush up on your history. This didn't come out until 1869 after the war was over.

“The union between Texas and the other states was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original states. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.”

Virginia's ordinance of secession was ratified in a referendum held on May 23, 1861, by a vote of 132,201 to 37,451.

Tennessee voted to join the Confederate States of America on June 8,1861, becoming the Confederacy's 11th and last state. Some 105,000 Tennesseans voted for secession; 47,000 voted against, according to the Tennessee Encyclopedia of History and Culture.

Alabama was politically divided, voting to secede 61-39%

The secession convention convened in Columbia, SC on December 17 and voted unanimously, 169-0, to declare secession from the United States.

On January 7, the vote was overwhelmingly in favor of immediate secession, delegates voting sixty-two to seven to withdraw Florida from the Union.

Louisiana: On January 26, 1861, the Secession Convention voted 113 to 17 to adopt the Ordinance of Secession.

To announce Georgia's formal intent to secede from the Union. Georgia's Ordinance of Secession was adopted at the Georgia Secession Convention of 1861. It was put to the vote on January 19, 1861; concluding at 2:00 P.M. (the vote was 208 in favor of immediate secession with 89 opposed).

Mississippi became the second state to secede from the United States. It convened its secession convention in Jackson on January 7, 1861 and, with a vote of 84 to 15, voted to secede just two days later.

Arkansas lawmakers voted 65-5 to become the ninth of 11 Southern states to join the Confederate States of America.

On May 20, 1861, North Carolina delegates unanimously voted to approve an Ordinance of Secession from the United States.

. . . . .or through consent of the states. . . . . .

 

You got it. A vast majority of those directly involved in the Confederate Army weren't fighting for slavery because they didn't have slaves to fight to keep in the first place.

 

Don't even try it, bub.

Over 95% of those who fought and commanded the Confederate Armies had zero slaves and zero reasons to fight to keep them enslaved. They had no idea what the Articles of Secession had written in them, all the Confederates knew were that they were fighting to protect their land and homes from a tyrannical government. None of our soldiers know every reason they're fighting in a war, all they know is that they're protecting the freedom of this country.

 

Thanks for clarifying. I agree that the rich landowners were the ones writing the Articles. Those soldiers had one thing in mind and it wasn't slavery like revisionists like to tell us.

 

It really isn't that big of an issue for most.

 

That woulda been nice to know a dozen replies back. But see, that's why tyranny by the minority sucks. 1 squeaky wheel can create widespread chaos.

 

That is what you read into my statement. FYI, I lived in Richmond for 27 years so I'm quite familiar with all the details concerning what happened there 154 years ago to this day.

True, and one can say that it was understandable given that it was standard operating procedure but the Confederates were extremely reckless and irresponsible in doing so. What they torched invited a wider conflagration and unsurprisingly that's exactly what Richmond got.

Furthermore, given the fact that Union Army was hardly hurting for ammunition and other supplies I would go so far as to say it was an utterly stupid move that brought needless risk, harm and hardship on the citizens of the city.

There's no need to be rude. There's nothing wrong with my history and choice of terminology. This is destruction and the Confederates were responsible for it:



Why candy coat it? That's like tearing down Civil War statues.

It's not false. The people of Virginia weren't stupid - they knew the war would immediately land on their doorsteps on account of Virginia's proximity to the Union. This was a simple matter of geography.

As for the leadership, they had no idea what would happen within a year much less 5 years. By the end of 1861 what was known as Virginia ceased to exist when the western half of the state broke away. Two years later it would become the 35th state of West Virginia.

The fact is, a lot of people in Virginia were stupid heading into the CW just as a lot of people in Europe were stupid heading into World War I. They had no idea what they were getting themselves into and they didn't care until the reality of war came crashing down on them.

Perhaps Virginia's leadership shouldn't have made the mistake of seceding, but that doesn't change the fact that secession was an unqualified disaster for our fair commonwealth and its people.

 

Uuummm! That is in London in the UK.
Nice deflection.
Crying wolf again.

 

a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

Do you consider the democrats to be traitors for not protecting the constitution of this country which they swore under oath to protect?

Neither the Confederates, nor the Cofederates, were traitors. You're only saying that because you think they went to war to keep the blacks enslaved.