Natural/inherent rights

Do us all a favor and be silent in this discussion about his philosophy then until you do

 

And why I said, all humans have a right to life. But in the end, might makes right.
For if you kill me, my right is gone and yours remains.

 

I am not discussing his philosophy. I am discussing what I believe.
So take it to another thread if you can't handle it.

I don't have to read what someone else thinks to make my thoughts.

 

You didnt even read the post where I answered that exact proposition. Why do I even bother doing anything but mocking you people?

 

I read it, dismissed most of it.
It's not relevant to natural rights. You keep talking man made rights.
You should mock yourself.

 

Why does it matter?

Perhaps.

This is also relevant and deals with your question specifically,

http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/HCA/1958/38.html

On free speech, I say that we have exactly the same rights you have. There are always either limits or consequences.

And......Hold this Bus right there Pilgrim! You said:

I repeat my question. Show me how I have ceded my liberty

 

You brought it up, you tell me.

I see. Doesnt sound much like a right if you have to run away and corner yourself first.

There is no hate speech law in the us nor can there be.

As stated: you have, see above.

 

Please note my late edit on the matter of retreat.

http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/HCA/1958/38.html

In no way have you even attempted to demonstrate where/how I have ceded my liberty. It is obvious that you can't, because I haven't. Liberty is not a synonym for 'the right to bear arms' or to run around the place vilifiying people on the basis of race of religion. I say that you have less liberty than I have. You have to resport to arming yourself to the hilt with AK-15s etc. I have no need to carry that sort of burden. Further 'I' am at liberty to go about my business without having to contend with some lippy punk abusing the crap out of me on the basis of nothing more than skin tone or religion.

And no, I did not bring it up. You boasted of your legal credentials etc.

 

Natural rights ... the right to be left alone by government so you can reach your full potential and enjoy life to its fullest.

Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom to work and support your family ... without interference from government.

 

In no Country including like yours and mine is there no interference from Government.

 

"The court denied that this was a rule of law and put a failure to retreat in the category only of an element in the considerations upon which the reasonableness of the defendant's conduct must be judged."
So its not a per se rule it's just a factor so heavily weighted it might as well be. Numerous of your fellow citizens and yourseld have posed questions clutching their pearls in this and other threads about o he could've run away this and that.
Even you think its required. Think I'll pass.

Sure and if you say the wrong thing you get jammed up over nothing. Sounds suuuuuuper free and stuff and junk. Wonder what happens when the Crown decides something you normally considered innocuous is double plus ungood badthink?

Armed to the hilt? Lol select fire and grenades are not freely available nor are launchers or cannon.
I'm armed and less so than your average police force.

Yeah ok"bushlawyer" you never brought your credentials up, which is why you never said you had more relevant credentials

 

Americans have the least interference from government, and we're proud of it.

But our leftist politicians keep expanding the powers of the state and we're not as free as we were 50 or 100 years ago.

 

UDHR Preamble
...human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear...
...Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law....

If people were without fear from government tyranny but were fearful of actions from private actors, that would undermine the aspiration that people be free from fear. One way to eliminate fear is to provide individuals with a right to defend themselves. Article 3 of the UDHR provides that "everyone has the right to life, liberty, and security of person." The guarantee of a right to security of person further support a right to individual self-defense. Conversely, to restrict gun ownership would seem to increase the level of insecurity of individuals. This leads to individuals potentially living with less peace of mind and without "freedom from fear." Like the UDHR's freedom from fear, the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense and "security of person".

 

In all the circumstances, ones defensive response must be proportionate/reasonable. There is no carte blanche to fire at will.

You don't have to be a genius to know when you have gone too far in critical commentary and that you have transgressed into vilification based on mere race or religion. Ideas concept even politicians themselves here are fair game.

Why carry the burden of being armed to any extent? Your answer will be...because everyone else has a gun so I need one. My answer is...no-one has a gun.

I think I said mine trump yours. You asked whether I worked for the UN. My response was why would that matter. I say what your credentials are and what my credentials might be are totally irrelevant. I am not about to just align myself with a comment I totally disagree just because the author has a 'big dick.'

 

Please demonstrate where your Government interferes less than mine does, or the Government of the UK does, or the Government of India does etc etc.

 

Basically there is this invisible rights fairy called God who sprinkled these rights onto human babies when they are born but didn't do the same for other animal babies. Also he can violate all these rights that he gave you and is free to toast you for all eternity in hell for believing in the wrong religion.

 

Where is the word “Gun”???

“Freedom from fear” is not the same as “paranoia about governmental crackdowns”

 

Errr

No, that distinction I think belonged to Somalia who had anarchy for 20 years

Worked for them............................................NOT!!!

 

Worse......that fairy seemingly ignored anyone not born in the USA and also anyone black or 'red' who was born in the USA. Whiteys only got the 'sprinkle.' The rest were savages you see. That's a fact. You can see it here writ large in this very Thread.

 

Dude - google is your friend - go figure out what a strawman is. Then you go on to give a description of natural rights that does not make sense.

 

Sorry Pilgrim. I have no secret agenda. You'll just have to accept that or remain paranoid.

Yes...and who was it who was doing all the 'considering?' God, nature...who...what?

Yes, the Brits invaded Australia and stuffed the Aborigines. No doubt about it. Worse, we regarded them as part of 'flaura and fauna' until relatively recently. We have an appalling history there. Agreed. I have no idea what you mean about 'giving them money on a monthly basis,' so you'll have to clarify that one.

No bowing down goes on here to English Masters. Yes, ceremonial respect is given to the Monarchy and its Australian representative but you will not find one Australian who considers themself to be a subject and you will not find one Member of the Monarchy who considers Australians as 'subjects.' "But we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees." Wow, nifty expression. All yours?

 

You what really “gets” me? The amount of worshipping they afford the president - especially one who is the political stripe that they like

 

If they can be taken away, they are not inherent or natural or inalienable.

 

Yes, even to the extent that it is almost regarded as heresy to be critical of a President. The reaction is.....'That person is being critical of the President of the USA and that means he is being critical of his Country and is being treacherous...a traitor.'

 

The concept of natural rights goes back to Europe, actually.

The basic idea requires a thought experiment of you being alone with nobody else there. Go for a hike and then when you feel completely isolated from everybody, society, and government.

Now what can you do? Whatever it is, that's a natural right.