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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    so if you had godlike power up the only moral thing to do would be strip every one of their free will? Why is this the right thing to do?
     
    Polydectes, Apr 16, 2019
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    There is no other option. Either you are all powerful or you aren't.
     
    Etbauer, Apr 16, 2019
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You misunderstand GOD. Many of us are trying to tell you this.
     
    Robert, Apr 16, 2019
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    Abortion isn't harmful for baby, but for (possible) mother it's another story. Always a bit traumatizing.

    Better be careful and not to add any imaginary values and/or attributes when we talk about abortion.

    Some people may think that using condoms is also wrong (any kind of planning what's the optimal family). In societies where this mind set is only way of life, women are like baby-factories as long as they just can keep going - there's always limit somewhere what body can take. They don't mind, just follow God and even if mother dies trying labor yet another baby, it's just God's will. There is nothing to do with those people, because it's not illegal or directly harmful for other people.
     
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    It's impossible to reconcile a good god with the fct that evil exists. That's just pure logic.
     
    Etbauer, Apr 16, 2019
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    Not at all. One can be all powerful and still allow choice. Free will is buzz kill for you guys.
     
    doombug, Apr 16, 2019
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    If i had a nickle for every dumb guy that tried to say they were smart....
     
    Etbauer, Apr 16, 2019
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    Right, but you are all wrong. And obviously wrong.
     
    Etbauer, Apr 16, 2019
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    Not at all. Just because light exists does not mean darkness does not exist.
     
    doombug, Apr 16, 2019
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    But, free will is impossible with an all powerful god. It's one of the many paradoxes.
     
    Etbauer, Apr 16, 2019
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    Says who? If God is all powerful then God can allow humans to make choices.
     
    doombug, Apr 16, 2019
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    Right, darkness only exists because we live in the world that we live in. Which of course is either purely natural or because a god wanted it to be that way.
     
    Etbauer, Apr 16, 2019
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    Because you are GOD. (smacking my head) I did not realize you are GOD
     
    Robert, Apr 16, 2019
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    But it also made us in such a way that we would make the choices that we make. And, being all knowing, it knew exactly which choices we would make. So, we didn't really make those choices.
     
    Etbauer, Apr 16, 2019
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    Or by design.....
     
    doombug, Apr 16, 2019
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    If I were god, alI would be perfect. And I would be responsible for everything. And, if I were a god, I could easily make the world perfect.
     
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    Circular logic.....nonsense really.
     
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    Exactly. So, all suffering and evil would have to exist by design.
     
    Etbauer, Apr 16, 2019
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    Easier said than done.
     
    doombug, Apr 16, 2019
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    Yeah, that's true, in a way. That's why it's impossible for a perfect being to exist, it just makes for circular paradoxes.
     
    Etbauer, Apr 16, 2019
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    Not really. Who says evil is a thing to exist?
     
    doombug, Apr 16, 2019
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    Not for a god.
     
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    I am not saying it, others reported to me that I am. I was not that self aware to know it. I mean, i do not talk to people with the idea of saying i am smart to them. Test scores for one thing are conclusive.

    Frankly I find your analysis extremely shallow. I was not going to say that until you tried to clip me in the head just now.
     
    Robert, Apr 16, 2019
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    Not at all. You do not undertand basic principles so you are running in circles.
     
    doombug, Apr 16, 2019
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    Do you think evil doesn't exist?
     
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