Pelosi claims Congress is a 'superior branch' of government, as clash with White House intensifies

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  1. Nunya D.

    Nunya D. Well-Known Member

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    I would say the Judicial Branch is far superior that the other 2. SCOTUS can decide if a law out of Congress is valid or not and can strike it down with the stroke of a pen....with no recourse. SCOTUIS can tell the President that their Executive Order is illegal and strike it down with the stroke of a pen....with no recourse. SCOTUS also does not have to deal with the public or the media. They also have lifetime appointments and would need to do something very grievous to be removed.

    Yep....my vote is the Judicial branch.
     
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    I don't see where she argue that the House was superior??

    During an interview with Robert Costa for Washington Post Live, Pelosi, D-Calif., was asked whether Congress is functioning as a coequal branch of government.

    “I think we’re a superior branch, quite frankly,” Pelosi said. “We have the power to make the law and the president enforces the law. So we have a big role. We’re closest to the people and we have a big role to play.”
     
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    Actually, there is recourse. Congress can introduce Amendments to the Constitution in regard to that law. And Congress has the power to either remove Justices from the court through impeachment or by changing the number of Justices on the Bench.
     
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    Not enforcing a law isn’t treason. Treason is a specific crime. Moreover congress can enforce the treason law. If the VP is impeached there is a line of succession...congress doesn’t get to pick who they want. I never suggest the president order the DOJ to break the law, just not enforce a law. Much like how Obama told his DOJ not to enforce federal Pot laws. That wasn’t treason but a policy position.
     
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    As a typical Dem Party politician the U.S. Constitution is just toilet paper to Nancy. Co-Equal means that none of the three separate branches of government are a superior branch. The entire nation is watching the political left deliberately and cynically creating an artificial 'crisis' in order to 'get' Trump via any means possible . . . Part Two. It's not going to end well for the political Left.
     
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    Someone send this to the dimwitted Pelosi:
     
  7. Daniel Light

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    And guess who comes after the VP in line of succession to the President - the Speaker of the House. (Nanci Pelosi right now). And Obama could have been impeached for not enforcing pot laws if the Congress was inclined to do so, but they were too stoned at the time.
     
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    Until the Constitution is amended, the SCOTUS decision stands. I would not really call that "recourse" as the rules would then be changed. The SCOTUS decision is (should?) be based on the rules that were in place when they made the decision.

    In about 250 years, only 1 member of SCOTUS has been impeached. As I said, they would need to do something very grievous. I don't think just making an unpopular decision would do it unless political bias is proven.
     
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    Constitutionally, the three branches are not equal in power. She is not wrong. Congress holds the purse strings. Congress can over-ride Presidential vetos. congress can impeach Presidents. Congress writes the laws. Congress can institute the process to change the Constitution.
     
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    I didn't say Congress WOULD take action, I said the COULD take action - they have the Constitutional authority to do so. I'm glad they rarely do - but they simply do have more Constitutional authority in the long run. Pelosi is not wrong.
     
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    It’s not an impeachable offense for the president to exercise prosecutable discretion. The House is up for election every two years, the people would not support a house impeaching the President and VP simply because they don’t like them and there is zero chance they get both done in two years
     
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    Congress can pack the court if both houses can work together.
    Senate cant appoint new justices without president putting them forward first. They can deny or even refuse to hear one put forward they dont like, but they cannot put a name in the hat.
    Checks and balances.
     
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    Sigh . . . perhaps some day a leftist will take a NON Marxist centered class on how the U.S. government was designed to function and why it was designed that way; but obviously no time soon.
     
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    Well, impeachment is a theological imperative for dems. The Obama WH routinely ignored subpoena's so the claim that this is a constitutional crisis rings hollow to anyone with a memory. Republicans are not going to go along with this dem clown show which is being used for donations and to please their base.
     
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    What are you smoking? NOWHERE did I say that "in order for the President to pack the court, he has to get it passed by Congress." Unless your brain dead the quote But the President can up the count of Supreme Court judges as he sees fit and can then pack it with his supporter's cannot be inferred to mean if the Congress approves..
     
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    I think quite frankly she should resign as Speaker of the House if she has such a fundamentally flaw belief of how our government operates and of the Constitution. That is unbelievable she is asserting a superior position that the President or the Courts. This is a power grab.
     
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    Which does not make them a superior branch especially when it comes to oversight.
     
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    You quoted her. Superior branch. The Framers were not minimalists. The best way to interpret her quote, is to argue that we're still the Continental States. But if that were the case, State Law(Plural) would be superior to federal law. You won't hear her argue that, because no one holds that interpretation.

    Pelosi's justification is simply ludicrous and if the framers saw what became of Congress, they'd be overly concerned about what has transpired.
     
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    I'm merely pointing out that she is talking about Congress on the whole, not the House as you've thought. I've never said that I agreed with her assertion. If you have ever seen my comments about Pelosi, then you already know my feelings toward her.
     
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    Yet you don't have the same feeling about Trump who have a flaw understanding of how our government operates and that of the Constitution. When are you going to ask Trump to resign? Quit your hysterics. Pelosi can't do anything.
     
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    BS. That's why they can impeach him and remove him from office - for ANY reason they want.

    He shall be removed for high crimes and misdemeanors, but it doesn't say ONLY for high crimes and misdemeanors. If he is deemed to be unfit for office, they can toss him out.
     
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    If the president and vice president are impeached, the Speaker of the House becomes president.
     
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    I find so odd that you all would claim to be so cocksure and so condemning of Nancy Pelosi when it is not her ignorance on display. Before the United States, countries were ruled by kings. The great innovation of the United States was that we are self governing, that is the people get to decide. Before the constitution, and before the Revolution, the United States had no executive. All of the power, all of the decisions laid in congress. It was the Continental Congress that ran the show during the Revolution and its aftermath. There was no executive.

    With the constitution, the federal government, the states, and cities operate on the principle that the legislature, the representatives of the people, make the laws, and decide the direction of the country. The executive's primary job, be it president, governor, or mayor, is to carry out that legislation, to execute the laws.

    However, I can see why conservatives think that the President is the primary power. It has a lot to do with the fact that the left is the people centric, whereas the right is the leader centric. Conservatives tend to be drawn to autocratic leaders.
     
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    You think because 'conservatives are drawn to autocratic leaders', that's the argument of the supposed inferiority of the executive branch? ROFL. No, the powers of the Office of the Presidency are outlined in the Constitution. I didn't want to do this because of how it could be construed but screw it: Trump is presently the commander in chief of the armed forces

    Where in this, is an equality to the other branches? The only thing equating these, is that Congress declares the wars and the President has to fight within that scope. That's IT. But by and large, the framers gave that executive privilege to the President.

    And therefore, the executive branch is the highest branch of our sanctioned government. The judiciary is a separate branch from the government(I'll elaborate on this, much later but the judiciary shares absolutely nothing with the legislature or the executive branches.)
     
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    With a 2/3 vote, which a a execute check on the legislative
     
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