When should abortion be a crime?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Ronstar, May 10, 2019.

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When should abortion be a crime?

  1. After conception

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  2. After a heartbeat is detected

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  3. After it can survive without artificial means

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  4. After it looks like a human being

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  5. Never

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Neither did you.
     
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    Renee said:
    I have never heard of a healthy woman and healthy fetus aborting at the end of her pregnancy...



    No reason to make it illegal.....unless, like other righties , you want Bigger Government...
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Says you LOL!

    Good thing YOU don't get to make that decision, the pregnant woman has ALL the power.:nana:



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    I believe it is up to the pregnant one to decide.





    So what? That doesn't mean women shouldn't have the right to their own bodies.






    I support the best thing, the most right, decent thing, I support the woman's right to decide for herself and retain the right to her own body.
     
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    You mean decide for herself and her down syndrome child.

    I find it more than a little bit ironic that you call that the "decent" thing to do.
     
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  5. FoxHastings

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    I'm sure YOU would.

    Yes, the decent thing to do is allow EVERYONE to have the same right, the right to one's own body......a right YOU enjoy but wish to take away from others..that's indecent.
     
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    I'm not sharing my body with someone else.
    If I ever do, I'd be sure to be considerate towards them. Especially if I knew the arrangement was temporary.
     
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    The vast majority of late term abortions are for foetal abnormality incompatible with life

    Usually it is because the parents do not want the child to suffer through life
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Yes, the decent thing to do is allow EVERYONE to have the same right, the right to one's own body......a right YOU enjoy but wish to take away from others..




    AS USUAL you post has nothing to do with the post of mine you quoted...I posted nothing about "sharing a body""


    ;) I am dead certain you aren't "sharing your body" with anyone and never have :)


    Why don't you agree that it is the decent thing to allow EVERYONE to have the same right, the right to one's own body ??

    Don't you think everyone should have the same rights ? Why not??
     
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    When should abortion be a crime?

    Whenever it is performed.
     
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    But yet you want to judge a 1/2 ounce fetus by how it sucks it’s thumb.
    Over 90% of abortions are done in the first trimester. How many women do you know who have had an abortion at 24 weeks? I worked in the clinic and never saw that so obviously it is very rare. There is something very dangerous when you make the exception the rule
    If you think a 1/2 of an ounce is a person then I suggest remove it and tell me about it. If It can suck it’s thumb you can just give this 1/2 of an ounce person a bottle
     
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    Hey I think you and I should decide which man should be forced to have a vasectomy
     
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    If it is living outside the womb it isn’t an abortion
     
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    :) YES! We will legislate OUR morals and legislate what men can or can't do with their bodies....and punish them if they disobey !!!

    TOO much fun!!!
     
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    How ignorant and biased of me, wanting to judge when human life begins by when it starts sucking its thumb.
     
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    We only legislate our morals when we believe it affects someone else. Isn't that true?

    Pro-choicers moan and groan about "legislating morals" but I don't hear very many of them supporting the legalization of drugs or getting rid of weapons possession laws. (Not to mention drunk driving, prostitution, pedophilia, etc. etc.)

    Where are all the pro-choicers defending our rights not have our morals legislated?

    Oh, that's right, I forget, they only don't want these "morals" legislated when it comes to abortion.
    Soooo inconsistent.
     
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    Simple, they are not "moral" issues....
     
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    Yes.
     
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    EVERY pregnancy can result in the death of the mother. It's just a fact. It should be her choice.
    No child has ever lived who was under 21 weeks, 4 days old, even hooked to every medical device known.
     
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    Right now, there are over 100,000 kids waiting adoption in this country. Just like some pregnant mothers, adoptive parents want their "perfect" child.

    And you realize that even if a woman puts the child up for adoption, they are still responsible for all the medical expenses incurred up to that point. They STILL risk the possibility of death in labor, or any number of complications. Just putting the kid up for adoption doesn't suddenly erase every impact on the mother's life or health.
     
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    Thank you for admitting this. Pro-choicers say abortions need to be allowed for health reasons, but pro-choicers believe ALL abortions are justified for health reasons.
     
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    So it is ONLY the mother's choice to bring it to term. She's the only one with skin in the game. Not you. Not some judge. Not some legislative body.
     
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    Well, except the fetus
     
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    What makes you think abortion is just a "moral" issue unlike all those other issues?

    (Is it just because you believe the fetus is not a person? In that case your entire argument here would just be a superfluous moot point.)
     
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    Prior to 22 weeks, the mother dies, the fetus dies. Modern medicine can't change this.
     
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    Yes.

    So statistically, if the mother's life were seen as being exactly equal to the life of the fetus (just hypothetical for the sake of argument here), then abortion should be allowed when the probability of the woman dying due to the pregnancy is equal or greater than 50%, at least according to mathematical game theory analysis.
    That would promote the greatest number of lives saved, on a statistical basis.

    That's kind of an oversimplification though. What they'll often do, if the woman is at risk, is wait just a few more weeks to get the fetus past the viability point and then prematurely take the fetus out. There's a small increased risk to the woman and a chance the fetus could end up dying anyway, but usually there's a good outcome.
     
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