The coming civil war over abortion

“If Donald Trump's election could evoke Madonna's expressed desire to blow up the White House … and the hearings for Brett Kavanaugh induce women to scream and pound at the Senate's doors – what will the overturning of Roe v. Wade bring about?

A civil war is coming to America, only this time, it will be abortion, rather than slavery, that divides the nation. And while I hope will all my heart that it will not be a physically violent war, the ideological conflict will certainly be violent and intense.

We witnessed some of this during the hearings for Brett Kavanaugh, when the opposition to his confirmation was fierce to the point of screaming and pounding at the Senate's doors.

This brought to my mind the famous line, "Hell hath no fury like that of a woman scorned," based on which I wrote an article titled, "Prepare for the Wrath of the Pro-Abortion Militants." The article ended by saying "that hell hath no fury like that of the militant pro-abortionists." https://onenewsnow.com/perspectives/michael-brown/2019/05/17/the-coming-civil-war-over-abortion This rather long article goes on to describe the pro abortion sides anger over the challenges to roe vs Wade from the states. It details some of the threats being made by that side. The article urges the pro life side to be measured in our comments and always be the peaceful ones even when speaking out on the issue. The author is opposed to a real civil war.

 

The author is right to warn about the extent that the pro abortion on demand side will go to to preserve abortion on demand to the moment of birth.

 

Nope, I just don't see people picking up arms just to kill their babies in the womb. Its not as economically beneficial to fight over like slaves were to the south.

 

Republican are warring on more than abortion

 

Why not? The vast majority of late term abortions are for foetal abnormality incompatible with life

 

It's not like violence hasn't already been employed. Abortion IS violence, and against babies, no less!

I know they see babies as less than human so they can be killed, but that's just sociopaths being sociopaths. The one thing sociopaths are uniformly incapable of is empathy, so they'll just have to deal with the violence as best they can.

I'm guessing they're gonna complain that they should be allowed to kill babies, but nobody should be allowed to kill them.

 

Well, to be frank, men are supposed to be the protectors of women and kids. Its physiological and evolutionary. Have you ever seen a woman try to make up her mind on where they should go eat?

 

I am thinking of what I can do with a post as misogynistic as this and I think the only recourse is the ignore list

 

I agree with you that a violent civil war is in the making. Abortion rights will just be one small reason among many though. Its important that we defend ourselves from these right wing fascists.

 

I think a Civil War is more likely to break out over including the illegal population in Congressional Representation calculations.

 

So sad to see people who think like this (pretty much all of the above posts, with certain exclusions) so too many to quote.

Painting the extreme on anybody who believes in the pro CHOICE (which is NOT pro-abortion) and the lack of understanding that invalidating the freedom of choice, is not just limited to Row v Wade. Enlightenment will come, when other freedom's of choice become invalid.

 

Yeah, science and biology is such a misogynist bastard.

 

Should government play a role in helping mothers raise or place babies that would previously been aborted? Should birth control be easier to obtain reducing prospective abortions? Should sex education be given to explain how to avoid pregnancy?

 

And how would you defend yourself, block them on FB? For a side so devoted to banning all the guns, would be kind of counter intuitive to say you need to protect yourself when you have nothing but signs. I remember being taught in school about how Hitler and Mussolini allowed everyone to have guns before they took power, that's what a true fascist does right?

 

One fact that seems to have been totally ignored. There have been more than 50 million abortions in the US since 1967. If there were no abortions and those persons had more babies, the population of the US would easily be more than 400 million. Trump said that we are "full" now. What would we do with another 75 million citizens?

 

Nah, its not pro-choice when everything BUT abortions are allowed to be chosen for the civilians. Talk to me about being "pro-choice" when the left fights for parents can choose to send their kids to any school. A woman can choose to protect herself with a gun. A thirsty person can choose to get a soda of more than 20 oz. I can choose not to buy health insurance. And a host of many other decisions that the left bans or forces me and everyone to take part of, like social security and medicare.

 

Do you think none of these are happening currently? PPH supposedly only does 3% of their business in abortions right? Whats the other 97%, cause its not mammograms since they don't have the ability to do that at all. And also, everyone has been forced to get healthcare, so BC is covered under every plan, even the plans for single men who have no children.

And Sex ed is being taught to kids in Kindergarten, who do you think isn't receiving the education on what sex will lead to?

 

Put them to work?

 

You are correct that some of these things are happening currently. However not everyone has or is even currently required to have healthcare. Sex ed is available, but restrictions such as "abstinence only" teaching are in effect in some areas. My position on abortion is simple; logical steps may be taken to make it less likely that pregnancy will happen or that abortion may be chosen. Abortion law can be adjusted restricting late term abortions, partial birth abortions etc., but I do not believe outlawing all abortions will solve the problem. It didn't in the past. We must make it easier for women to choose not to abort by giving them options, but we can not make that that decision for them. As a nation we have failed when we have tried to enforce someone's morality.

 

Complete nonsense. Nobody is "pro abortion", and you're not "pro-life".

Right-wing extremists who have opposed protection of pre-existing conditions, protection for the poor, for children and the elderly, have no moral authority to speak of themselves as "pro life". They are simply "anti choice" or "anti women". And those of us who believe that women should have complete choice up until the point that this choice involves another real human life, and that this life deserves to be respected all the way to old age are the real "pro life".

The ultra-right are just religious fanatics who can't stand the thought of women having rights.

 

I support the right of a woman, or any adult human to protect themselves with a gun, in most states one can get HFCS in more than 20oz in any flavor they want, I support the right to not purchase health insurance, as long as the person also accepts the responsibilities that go with the choice. I will not provide legal advise regarding taxes, do your own research and make a well informed decision.

Pro-choice says I do not have the right to make your choices for you, or you for me. The line comes when your choice effects me.

 

Carlin sums it up...

 

I'll guess you've been out of school for a decade or two.... sex ed, in it's full spectrum entirety, is taught long before it should be taught, IMO.

BC is relatively easy to obtain. The government should not be involved in the raising of a child.

 

Only 20% of people are pro-abortion after the 1st trimester.

I don't think this is the issue the left is hoping it will be for them.

 

Sorry, it's hard to take the whole "pro-life" thing seriously when they shoot doctors.
Heated debate is expected - it's a difficult issue.

Problem is, we know exactly what happens when anti-abortion laws are passed. We had them for decades. They were ineffectual and harmful. It will take about ten seconds for pro-choice people to set up bus routes from poor neighborhoods for women to go to states where abortion is still legal - just as they did in the 60's. The more financially secure will just take "vacations" just as they did during the years abortion was illegal.

Abortion laws will not prevent people from having sex.