The coming civil war over abortion

It's hard to take people seriously when they talk about 11 killings over 26 years.

 

Pro-life, indeed.

 

Yeah I mean less than 2 murders per year of abortion providers is a veritable scourge.

Right up there with KKK attacks.

Oh and pro-life protects the innocent.

When the unborn start getting lawyers and an appeal process, let us know.

 

Anti-abortions only pretend to protect life. We already know, after over 50 years of anti-abortion laws in this country, that they don't work. What works is removing the uncertainty and fear that drives women to make the decision to abort. More affordable maternity health care. Protections from being fired from work. Better safety net for expectant mothers. Better education and birth control availability. THAT'S what drives down the number of abortions. Anit-abortion laws just drive poor women to seek unsanitary on unregulated abortion providers, and those with means just take a "vacation".

Look at how abortion numbers have dropped in the last few decades. What drove that? We moved condoms out from behind the drugstore counter and made them available in every market in the land. We tried to make health care more available and less expensive. WE added job protections for pregnant women. Let's do more of the the things that DO work - not waste time and dollars on failed anti-abortion laws that will have about the same impact as anti-pot laws have.

 

This actually was not important to Democrats in 1973.

In fact it was a fight by a frightened solitary woman in TX.

Why do i say it was not important?

By this time, since 1973,. Democrats have had 46 years for any of their Congresses to write up laws.

Sure there was Roe v Wade. But when the Supreme court defended Slavery, Congress wrote up brand new laws. And those laws solved the entire problem.

We no longer have slavery nor people dancing in the street calling to restore slavery.

But in 1865, Congress simply did it's job and wrote up law.

This is what Alabama is currently doing. Writing up law.

 

Baloney.

The pro-abortion crowd is really about not wanting to face the consequences of their bad decisions. 92% of abortions are unwanted pregnancies.

Birth control couldn't be easier or cheaper to obtain. Most people who have abortions aren't even using birth control. Only 42% of unmarried women consistently use birth control, and close to 10% of that is "withdrawal".

Moreover:

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-use-united-states

The proportion of all sexually experienced women who have ever used withdrawal increased from 25% in 1982 to 60% in 2006–2010.5

That pretty much just screams "honey badger don't care".

Fewer abortions are probably driven by the fact that the black population growth has been completely stopped by abortion, and our new "immigrants" don't practice it much.

 

Never met a pro-abortionist. You realize that to be pro-abortion would mean to advocate abortion above all else, right. Haven't met anyone here or elsewhere walking around insisting people get abortions.

And the reason birth control is cheaper and easier to obtain is that activists demanded laws be changed to get condoms from behind the counters at just pharmacies. And claiming that most abortions are to counter unwanted pregnancies? Well, hello Captian Obvious.

 

I dont see a war erupting over abortion. Not specifically. Those who would kill for abortion tend to oppose even owning guns, much less the right to oppose authority in armed conflict. Molotovs and clubs are only so effective in the grand scheme of resistance, and the numbers just arent there. Isolated pockets of civil unrest is the most I see being mustered, and even that is unlikely.

However, should the foundational value of body autonomy continue to be eroded, things like forced vaccination or forced abortion could very well spark what would more accurately be called 'war'. Defining the restriction of abortion as the stepping stone to the previously mentioned would imo be accurate.

In the long term, OP could, at least conceptually, come to pass.

 

Not over 50 years, only 46 years. A solitary and frightened woman went to court. She said she must have privacy.

And the claim it is laws has to be explained.

I like to show how that the Slaves were quite legal in a court ruling. But when Congress got out of bed and crafted laws, then the problem was solved. Court decisions had preserved slavery.

Congress figured out how to stop it.

Democrats do not care about the women in abortion. They love it for a campaign issue. Even Judges get badgered over it by Democrats and badger them to do more, to call Brown V Board of education bad law. Some pipsqueak Democrat in congress battered a judge.

If this was important to Democrats, with all their laws they keep making, they could have made a law. It worked to end slavery though the court of that day did not agree.

 

That is just a cop out.

The truth as I report is Democrats in the past 46 years could have whipped this by simply making an actual law.

A pro abortionist is defined as a person who fights for abortion. As do Democrats.

Calling it a choice really is not choice. Women get abortions not because they want to choose, but they do not want a baby. They are frightened.

I am going to later on explain it using drugs. The case will be made the right to choose Drugs is what Democrats fight so hard for.

 

Those are the ones who are pro-abortion.

No, it just means they choose abortion over life.

If I were just talking about condoms you might have a point.

Well, LT. Obvious, the time to stop an unwanted pregnancy is before 60% of the population and most unmarried women decide to go with "withdrawal", instead of after.

Here, go give a shout out

https://shoutyourabortion.com/

http://www.1in3campaign.org/

 

Actually I taught school for 35 years and retired 6 years ago this July. I am not questioning the fact that there is no sex ed. I do however know that there are limits (political) of what can be taught because I was on the committee that last updated our family living curriculum; we were not allowed to call it "sex ed" Some places only allow the teaching of abstinence. My school could mention the names of various birth control devices, but could not explain specifically how they worked, show the device or a picture of the device. The school could not provide birth control or suggest places where students might get further advice. The teacher could only explain that birth control existed. The school wanted to create a voluntary program where the school nurse, a guidance person and a female teacher could lead a private discussion group for young women that were pregnant or had had a child could talk. It was not allowed.
. This is where some pro life people are placing themselves in a precarious position. They should be willing to take steps to lessen both pregnancies and abortions and to help women make informed decisions instead of making it more difficult to do so. Jailing women and doctors solves nothing. Perhaps the father should be placed in jail along with the woman and the doctor.
If the government should not be involved in the raising of a child then why should the government force a child on someone else to raise?

 

If only kids constantly carried a device that could answer any question they had at any time regarding birth control.

No one forces anyone to get pregnant, and killing a child because you are irresponsible is not a good answer.

Does that argument work when you're poor and can't afford your 10 year old?

 

The author is a mindless anti abort. That said - he is rightly concerned about the backlash that the recent move by Republicans towards an extremist anti abortion position will create.

While it is true that the left has also gone to the extreme with respect to abortion - this will not alter voting patterns in any significant way.

The fact of the matter is that most Americans favor legalized abortion in the first trimester. What they do not want to see is backroom abortions on the basis of extreme positions like that which Alabama has taken.

It is not some secret that Trump's win was in large part due to Dems and moderates not showing up. This was due to a number of factors such as the anti establishment movement (Hillary was a consumate Establishment Insider), Hillary's meddling in the electoral process with respect to Sanders - which did not sit well with Sanders supporters, and Hillaries "nails on the chalkboard" persona - so arrogant and condescending that even many Dem women do not like her (although holding noses they voted for her). Hillary had no plan, nothing to vote for - all she did was "Bad Trump, Bad Trump" like some annoying parrot.

Hillary is not running this time and the Republicans are handing the Dems "something to vote for" on a golden platter. Further the demographic time bomb as ticked a few ticks further since the last election.

The Dems have been doing everything in their power to throw away their advantage with this Russiagate investigation .. something that has become highly nauseating to those of us in the middle. These gains on the Red side will be quickly overshadowed by the Abortion war.

 

You are making the assumption that kids think, act, and have the confidence of adults and that responsibility will over ride hormones.
Speaking of being irresponsible how can anyone expect to limit knowledge about these issues and then have 15 year olds make the "right" decision.
I would think that if this were a serious problem that those who wish to change attitudes on abortion would be willing to take practical steps that would reduce both pregnancies and abortions and to offer help to those that might forgo abortions if the help existed.

 

My sister-in-law had four abortions (at last count). All were birth control. The babies were healthy.

Very sad.

 

Oh no, I get that and am not discounting human nature.

If you think someone walking around with a cell phone has their knowledge of sex limited, you're mistaken.

Seeing as how "withdrawal" method went from 25% in the 80's to 60% now, I'd say the attitude hasn't gone in a productive direction.

 

Most young people's knowledge of sex is not limited. Their knowledge about birth control may be and their knowledge about consequences certainly is. They think about sex, not about raising a child.
Ask yourself what was on my mind when I thought about sex when I was in high school.

 

Yes but that information, if they wanted it, is right at their fingertips 24 hours a day.

They don't think about it, because they can just get an abortion in their instant gratification, zero responsibility world.

 

Robert, I don't think you should explain anything while using drugs, it's hard enough to follow you now.

 

Curious trend: every "A new Civil War is coming!!!!" thread or article I find comes from the fringe social right, yet they all claim the war will be instigated by the left . . . who seems to have no such ambitions. Funny.

 

They do seem awfully obsessed with this whole civil war thing. It’s almost as if they are hoping for one.

 

They are the only ones I see waxing romantic about the last one. Just sayin'.

 

What is wrong with a good brand of coffee?

Long ago I would post pages of text. Not cut and paste, I fully passed on wisdom by laying it out over a few pages.

I try to be more brief and if you think i am confusing you try studying what Einstein wrote. And i do understand his theories.

 

It will aever happen, though there is a very, very, very, slight possibility of a civil war between the "secular left" and the "religious right". If it happens, no matter who wins, liberty will lose.